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Vangelios
#2061 - 2012-03-27 17:46:40 UTC
Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference?

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Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2062 - 2012-03-27 17:47:23 UTC
Rhael Stormfury wrote:
Voluntarily resign your post.

You're actions are embarassing...

You're no representitive of mine.


Your*
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2063 - 2012-03-27 17:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Yeep
Jade Constantine wrote:

So where are the goons prepared to stand up and say that what Alexander Gianturco did on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable and he should step down as chair then exactly?


Hi, I'm Yeep, I'm about as OG GoonFleet as it gets. I think what happened on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable. I think he's right to feel terrible and I've known him long enough to accept that his apology is in good faith. However a spur of the moment resignation, no matter how popular it might be in the real world right now, does nothing but appease the uneducated masses.

Edit: For a bit of backstory I feel The Mittani crossed the line a number of times in the past when he was chief spymaster. I even opposed his promotion to the position on the grounds that his only qualification was nepotism. However he has the long term vision to continue to make Eve a better place for everyone (even whiny titan pilots) and the game will be objectively worse off if he resigns over this.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#2064 - 2012-03-27 17:51:14 UTC
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.

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Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#2065 - 2012-03-27 17:52:46 UTC
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


Watching with anticipation...
DelightSucker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2066 - 2012-03-27 17:53:28 UTC
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


A few days? how can it take a few days, its not like you have to investigate if it happen or not.
Prince Kobol
#2067 - 2012-03-27 17:53:40 UTC
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


I actually feel sorry for you guys because I have a sinking feeling that no matter what you decide you are going to be on the end of a **** storm

Good Luck
de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#2068 - 2012-03-27 17:53:42 UTC
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.

I'm glad someone has finally decided to take some sort of action against this. Please do hurry.
Prince Kobol
#2069 - 2012-03-27 17:54:27 UTC
DelightSucker wrote:
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


A few days? how can it take a few days, its not like you have to investigate if it happen or not.


These guys do have real lives to lead, families to look after, jobs to go to etc.
L00B
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2070 - 2012-03-27 17:54:30 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:


So where are the goons prepared to stand up and say that what Alexander Gianturco did on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable and he should step down as chair then exactly?

Because the strong impression I'm getting (as I'm sure the rest of the gaming community looking on is getting) is that the goons are quite unrepentant about all this and feel that Alexander shouldn't even have apologised let alone considered resigning over this.


As I've said elsewhere in this thread, a lot of you detractors seem to think this is the sort of game that isn't about being someone other than yourself (smirk #1), that honesty and good will are somehow things that are valued in Eve (smirk #2), and that CCP has somehow portrayed itself as a company that will give all your stuff back via petition if some bad man took it from you (smirk #3). Couple those things with this internet rage machine you seem to be caught in being WAY more mad about this event than the actual person aggrieved, is just pathetic, transparent, and an obvious ploy for nothing but attention cloaked as politics.

So the long and short of it is that it doesn't matter what the impression you're getting is, because you aren't objective about this at all. You hated goons long before you walked into this thread, and you'd also likely bend over backwards to get ten thousand people to click your little ego button regardless of the cost.

Those two things together is what makes your statements entirely irrelevant. You aren't offended, you aren't even pretending that you are. What you ARE pretending is that you somehow speak for those less eloquent than yourself. The problem is that you aren't eloquent at all.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2071 - 2012-03-27 17:54:57 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

So where are the goons prepared to stand up and say that what Alexander Gianturco did on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable and he should step down as chair then exactly?


Hi, I'm Yeep, I'm about as OG GoonFleet as it gets. I think what happened on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable. I think he's right to feel terrible and I've known him long enough to accept that his apology is in good faith. However a spur of the moment resignation, no matter how popular it might be in the real world right now, does nothing but appease the uneducated masses.


Why are you calling people uneducated exactly? And why do you think its wrong that eve players might feel its inappropriate for a drunken lout suffering from "blackouts" to be an inappropriate leader of the csm? I don't really understand why exactly you feel its an attribute of "education" to accept this kind of abuse to the reputation of a game you play without any form of consequence whatsoever.

And understand "yeep" I'm not somebody calling for Alexander to be ceremonially permabanned or even kicked off the CSM. I do recognize that he got 10,000 votes and players want him there. But I do think he is no longer an appropriate figurehead and cannot ever be placed in front of the press again given the stink this affair has attached to his name.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2072 - 2012-03-27 17:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kai Tel
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


Honestly, on this particular incident who gives a **** what the CSM thinks? This is about CCP policy and we are waiting on "their" ruling. Mitty already siad he was quitting your number. So, **** off and let the big boys do their thing like a good little media whoring puppy...
Avila Cracko
#2073 - 2012-03-27 17:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Avila Cracko
DelightSucker wrote:
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


A few days? how can it take a few days, its not like you have to investigate if it happen or not.



They are watching how long this storm will last.
If it relaxing with time they will sweep it all under the rug.


But, I am waiting for CCPs last word because CSM don't have any power over this matter.
(CSM will vote against CSM - not likely)

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
ExhumeToConsume
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2074 - 2012-03-27 17:57:41 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
DelightSucker wrote:
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


A few days? how can it take a few days, its not like you have to investigate if it happen or not.



They are watching how long this storm will last.
If it relaxing with time they will sweep it all under the rug.


Just like the supposed victim did, the traitor
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#2075 - 2012-03-27 17:57:51 UTC
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


CCP seems to be paying attention too... looks like posts are being moderated and / or pulled completely. Some of mine have been, but I think they might have been ones where I said Mittens behaved like a drunken idiot... Sad
stoicfaux
#2076 - 2012-03-27 17:58:07 UTC
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.

Any word on how CCP's internal investigation is going? (Assuming that the CSM and CCP aren't acting in concert on this.)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Pop Bear
Doomheim
#2077 - 2012-03-27 17:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pop Bear
All political life ends in failure I guess
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2078 - 2012-03-27 17:58:18 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


I actually feel sorry for you guys because I have a sinking feeling that no matter what you decide you are going to be on the end of a **** storm

Good Luck

No kidding...

Frankly the vast majority of people here are just being assinine about this. There is a lot I want to say about the matter but I think at this point I am just going to keep my mouth shut about it all. No sense in making it worse than it is. CCP will do what needs to be done.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#2079 - 2012-03-27 17:58:32 UTC
Seleene wrote:
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.


OFFICIAL: if CCP doesn't do something today they are a terrible company.

And its after business hours across the pond already.

Wasn't the first speech given at fanfest "We ****** up, we are sorry, we won't do it again?"

They already did it again. Their lack of action has cause irrevocable damage in the PR department once again.




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are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Kill Rockstar
Doomheim
#2080 - 2012-03-27 18:00:05 UTC