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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#61 - 2012-03-27 17:17:18 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:


plexed trial accounts. 1 vote per account.


fixed



U sound mad bro, u ok?


Very well thanks beatiful day, cheers for asking though

Hows you?

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Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-03-27 17:17:53 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
I originally answered the apology thread with this, but I think it really needs to be seen and said


Think twice next time
Koranten
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-03-27 17:17:55 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
Bullshit.

Any publicity is good publicity.

I bet Eve will see a small subscription boost from this 'scandal'.



You have no idea, bad publicity is NEVER betetr than no publicity, bad publicity closes places down, stop beign spun fed byc rap american tv and grow up
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#64 - 2012-03-27 17:18:38 UTC
The community is only thing between how EVE is now and the current Call of Duty community...

Although I cannot wait to gank somone named "xxxp0tsmoker-headtsh0t420xxx"
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-03-27 17:20:10 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:


Which is less than 3% by equivalent representation of the EvE community. So it in no way shows a majority view, far from it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#66 - 2012-03-27 17:22:41 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
He's tinfoiling it in claiming that goons wasted a metric buttload of plex's to convert trials to one month subscribed trials to rig 10000 votes. Not that it would cost like 115 bn isk or anything.

Hehe, wow, that means I can afford to buy myself a seat on the next CSM :) Nice.

FREE ICELAND TRIP HERE I COME.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-03-27 17:24:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Xython wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:


Which is less than 3% by equivalent representation of the EvE community. So it in no way shows a majority view, far from it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting


It should actually be about representation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_%28politics%29 P

So:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529

10058 of 59109 votes is a ratio of 0.17

turnout of 16.63%.

0.17 of 16.63% = 2.827% equivalence less than 3%, QED

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Shade Severii
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-03-27 17:24:26 UTC
People have always thought like this about EVE players.

Mittanni has not changed anyones mind its just another story about us sociopaths......

Hell i have been playing for 3 years and i only my GF knows i play because there is a stigma attached to this game

You are an idiot if you think THIS is what made people think bad thoughts about the EVE community.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#69 - 2012-03-27 17:29:30 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Xython wrote:
Saint Lazarus wrote:
I dont follow your logic, if anything, asking him to step down is the redemption. Proof that alot of people are ashamed of HIS behaviour and how we dont condone it.

Sweeping it under the rug is proof we're the vile scum people think we are.

But whatever, look at some interviews/videos of Fanfest and see how "evil" the community is.


10,000 votes suggest the community isn't ashamed of his behavior at all and wish him to continue.

You mad, bro?


Which is less than 3% by equivalent representation of the EvE community. So it in no way shows a majority view, far from it.


10,000 votes is a nice tally, the question is how many of those votes are from alts?


You mean paid accounts. 1 vote per account.



Yes, because no one could take Moongoo, convert it to plex, and open up a bunch of accounts to vote right? Roll

And oddly a bunch of new accounts voted.....Most new people have no clue what is going on, much less have the willingness to read all the spam, and then try to figure out how to vote...

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#70 - 2012-03-27 17:31:45 UTC
The CSM scandal just keeps coming hey Roll

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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#71 - 2012-03-27 17:33:21 UTC  |  Edited by: THE L0CK
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Xython wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:


Which is less than 3% by equivalent representation of the EvE community. So it in no way shows a majority view, far from it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_%28politics%29 P

So:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529

10058 of 59109 votes is a ratio of 0.17

turnout of 16.63%.

0.17 of 16.63% = 2.827% equivalence less than 3%, QED


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Antarctica

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#72 - 2012-03-27 17:35:58 UTC
Quote:
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?


Err yes, smells like somethings burning dude, perhaps you should check

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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#73 - 2012-03-27 17:36:35 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Quote:
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?


Err yes, smells like somethings burning dude, perhaps you should check



I has a new friend :)

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-03-27 17:37:33 UTC
OH NO
Enuen Ravenseye
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-03-27 17:52:20 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
using fake moral outrage to advance some petty agenda in an internet space game.


BINGO!

This forum rage has absolutely nothing to do with some harassed player being bullied. The outrage is just a group of people who see an opportunity to jump on a bandwagon in an effort to exact revenge against Goons and Mittani. Whatever the basis for their hatred, they can taste the blood in the water and they know this is just the sort of opportunity they may never get again.

Easy way to tell? Just follow the quotes, like "He's our representative" and "He's in a position of responsibility" and so on and so on.

Really? The same people claiming Mittani is somehow our grand leader are the same people who normally claim the CSM is an irrelevent PR stunt of CCP and have zero significance. But now, suddenly, NOW the CSM is important, NOW they represent us.

Where was all this angst up until a couple of days ago?

Go back to your caves.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2012-03-27 17:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Rico Minali wrote:
Yes folks you.

I originally answered the apology thread with this, but I think it really needs to be seen and said. There is now publicity all over the place about how vile the Eve Online community is, not The Mittani, the community itself.

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This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.

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Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.

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This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress anywhere - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying sociopaths.

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With each passing news story on Eve Online, I am LESS interested in trying the game.

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In your obsessive desire to see one man shamed and stripped of his voted place in the csm, and maybe because you were on the receiving end of some IN GAME stuff that happened, because in your impotent rage that the chairman you wanted didn't get votes, you have besmirched the whole of the community.

Guess what? No one is squeeky clean, if we look closely enough we see the cracks and the ugly truth beneath the veneer of humanity. You, yes YOU, every one of you reading this has thought or said or done things that someone somewhere thinks is abhorant and disgusting, most likely you have commited a crime of some size in your country.

What defines a community is whether it is quietly pointed out, dealt with and apologised for, or whether we allow our hatred to beat up the object of our hate, burn it and kick it to death and drag it though the streets shouting about it. If you were outraged at what happened, you could have petitioned ccp, or sent some sort of message privately. Some official channel could have been used. Instead you chose sensationalism, the chance to scream your utter horror that something bad was done.

Take a look at what you have all done here, are you proud? You shouldnt be, you should be ashamed of dragging your community around the streets with a burning tyre around its bloody neck, paraded for the rest of the gaming world to see and hate you for. Because it isnt now The Mittani they hate, it is this community, your community. Well done.


The Eve Online community looks like utter **** now, and I blame you. The people who chose to publicly shame our entire community with your behaviour here.


Alternatively, Mittani could have not been a nasty loudmouth in a very public place and nothing would have happened.

Oh yeah, you and Mittens are never at fault for anything, forgot that.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#77 - 2012-03-27 17:58:56 UTC
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:
This forum rage has absolutely nothing to do with some harassed player being bullied. The outrage is just a group of people who see an opportunity to jump on a bandwagon in an effort to exact revenge against Goons and Mittani.


I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but some people have moral and ethical standards, and stand up to what they feel is wrong. It's not petty revenge, although i'm sure goons prefer to think that.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Selinate
#78 - 2012-03-27 18:02:50 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:
This forum rage has absolutely nothing to do with some harassed player being bullied. The outrage is just a group of people who see an opportunity to jump on a bandwagon in an effort to exact revenge against Goons and Mittani.


I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but some people have moral and ethical standards, and stand up to what they feel is wrong. It's not petty revenge, although i'm sure goons prefer to think that.


I agree with this person even though I'm not particularly fond of him.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#79 - 2012-03-27 18:07:17 UTC
Indeed the number of people arguing that this is ANTI GOON stuff is rediculous

Step outside into the real world is my advice

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Xervish Krin
Intaki Fine Stationery Solutions
#80 - 2012-03-27 18:08:13 UTC
I kind of agree. I don't think the community is actually like that of course, but that isn't the issue.

As those comments and ones like them I've seen on the Mittens news articles, that is how we're seen. And yes, it's a problem, because as long as people believe EVE is a game full of assholes, they aren't going to play. Hell, you even see EVE players perpetuating this nonsense when they gush about how you should 'trust no one' and how all you'll know is heartbreaking betrayal.

It's not about 'most players are good people in hisec but in 0.0 they're sociopaths' or anything like that. Most players are assholes the same why the guy who takes your knight in chess is an *******. Those are the rules of the game, and you acknowledge them when you start to play. There's a major divide between peoples' personality in game, where they murder you and take your stuff, and IRL, where they'll have a friendly conversation with you over a nice game of internet spaceships. Maybe Mittens overstepped that line when he dragged things into IRL; it doesn't matter.

What matters is that people outside the game, and some inside the game, aren't making the differentiation at all. And that kind of reputation doesn't help anybody.