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Aldarica
Perkone
Caldari State
#2001 - 2012-03-27 16:50:21 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?

Then I suppose military commanders who suggest their soldiers to ****, burn and kill civilians while they're calmly sit drinking booze in some tent 10 km behind the frontline are innocent? Or those mafia godfathers who never had a drop of blood spilled over their hands? Why should they, they were only "giving informations" to their hitmen eh.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#2002 - 2012-03-27 16:51:04 UTC
Scarboro Seric wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:


I would suggest screenies of you biomassing [The entity known as 'The Mittani']


The irony!



Only honourable way out for Alex to my mind... No irony intended truely

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Ai Shun
#2003 - 2012-03-27 16:52:03 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Speaking of which, how is Lady Harlot doing? (S)he was posting like a mo-fo yesterday to uphold her man's honor but as soon as this thread came out the posting just stopped. I hope (s)he's ok.


Xython is taking the primary this shift. In 12 hours we'll rotate and then Harlot will be back pushing the script.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#2004 - 2012-03-27 16:52:20 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
You know what, though?

This whole thing puts a completely different spin on the phrase "suicide ganking"

Bazinga.



I actually smiled, Damn battlefield humour

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#2005 - 2012-03-27 16:52:42 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Scarboro Seric wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:


I would suggest screenies of you biomassing [The entity known as 'The Mittani']


The irony!



Only honourable way out for Alex to my mind... No irony intended truely



Good thing your mind doesn't hold weight.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Josef Djugashvilis
#2006 - 2012-03-27 16:54:29 UTC
This has to stop!

Right now the forums are more fun than actually playing the game.

Should be the reverse right?

This is not a signature.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#2007 - 2012-03-27 16:55:03 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
This has to stop!

Right now the forums are more fun than actually playing the game.

Should be the reverse right?



You new to EVE right?

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#2008 - 2012-03-27 16:56:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
I especially loved the part of his "apology" where he tries to excuse everything he's ever posted on forums as "roleplaying".

Quote:
It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.


How does he reconcile this "excuse" with Item 4 of the TOS?

Quote:
You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player[s]. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.


The problem is that CCP has been ignoring this rule for the sake of milking publicity for far too long, and their complacency has finally caught up to them and bit them in the ass. Let a child play with a knife long enough and eventually there will be blood on the floor.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#2009 - 2012-03-27 16:58:04 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Scarboro Seric wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:


I would suggest screenies of you biomassing [The entity known as 'The Mittani']


The irony!



Only honourable way out for Alex to my mind... No irony intended truely



Good thing your mind doesn't hold weight.


True haven't been able to achieve telekinesis yet

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2010 - 2012-03-27 16:59:45 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.


Actually, I don't believe in morals


See, now you're not even trying to be consistent.



Being really tedious and boring on the forums does not mean that you are the same in real life I trust?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#2011 - 2012-03-27 17:01:13 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?


Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic...
Nacion Allier
Blohm und Voss
#2012 - 2012-03-27 17:04:04 UTC
An apology by itself is fine, but the fundamental mindset of Mitani and the guys and girls behind him is outright wrong. Mitani should be banned and anyone who can be proved harassing the player should be banned also.

What is just as important in this case is what CCP intend to do. When push comes to shove then CCP will do absolutely nothing, because upsetting Goonies is equal to loosing income, and income is first priority everything else is secondary… sadly enough. Evil
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2013 - 2012-03-27 17:04:14 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
I especially loved the part of his "apology" where he tries to excuse everything he's ever posted on forums as "roleplaying".

Quote:
It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.


How does he reconcile this "excuse" with Item 4 of the TOS?

Quote:
You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player[s]. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.


The problem is that CCP has been ignoring this rule for the sake of milking publicity for far too long, and their complacency has finally caught up to them and bit them in the ass. Let a child play with a knife long enough and eventually there will be blood on the floor.


One can do something regrettable and not have it as a violation of the rules. Besides, I hate to break it to you pubbie and those who think like you, but he never owed you a thing. He doesn't owe you or any other white knighting bystander a single thing. He made his apology to the guy that would have been impacted by his remarks and (shockingly) that guy doesn't really care enough about the whole thing one way or another. I'd suggest you refresh your sense of entitlement.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2014 - 2012-03-27 17:06:01 UTC
Nacion Allier wrote:
An apology by itself is fine, but the fundamental mindset of Mitani and the guys and girls behind him is outright wrong. Mitani should be banned and anyone who can be proved harassing the player should be banned also.

What is just as important in this case is what CCP intend to do. When push comes to shove then CCP will do absolutely nothing, because upsetting Goonies is equal to loosing income, and income is first priority everything else is secondary… sadly enough. Evil

"I don't know what happened or what is going on but I heard something bad happened so I think this punishment without connection to the offense should be applied."
L00B
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2015 - 2012-03-27 17:06:38 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
ExhumeToConsume wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.


Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer?


Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name.

But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll.



And I could be flippant and say that your opinion doesn't matter, because you'll do anything for money, including hang out in this here thread and suck off the people making sweeping generalizations, while claiming to be above such things and making sweeping generalizations yourself. Thinking that because 40 people clicked a button on your post or posts doesn't mean people actually 'Like' you, Jade. It just means that you managed to find a thread to post in where people don't see the hypocrisy in the above, and actually think you play this game for fun... as opposed to making money, however insignificant, on the game.

Understanding the concept of full disclosure, and realizing that once you've made money off a group of people, your opinions are nothing but a calculated attempt to GET MORE MONEY means that you really should stop broadcasting your own opinion, and try to stick to the realm of facts. It might actually garner you some credibility, and put you above the internet mob that you claim to be speaking for.

Come back when you've gotten not FORTY people to click your little ego button, but ten thousand, and we might take you seriously!
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2016 - 2012-03-27 17:06:47 UTC
Doddy wrote:
I haven't tried to wriggle out of anything jade, you posted about likes (you took it off topic not me), i responeded about the like system, you repsonded about the like system, i responded about the like system now you are deflecting.


Well we will agree then we both got off the topic and avoid the mistake in future.

Doddy wrote:
As to the matter at hand far more damage has been done by people like you playing the matter to your own ends than the mittanis screw up. I am sure [redacted] just loves being the poster boy of jade online. I am sure being used to put another nail in the coffin of this game will help him get over his issues. Your post is all about Jade, anyone can see that, and screw anyone else.


I will tell you plainly I think the behaviour of Alexander Gianturco in his role as Chair of CSM6 is far more important by way of example and media impact than the situation of the mining barge guy (whom we're assured is quite okay). This turned out okay from a player health and rl angle so good. But the matter remains that the current chair of the CSM saw fit to get steaming drunk and invite people to troll some guy to death in the view of the cameras and gaming media and that is not okay.

Doddy wrote:
Who are you to pass comments on Mittanis state of mind or what his wife should do? Accusing him of being delusional et all.


Well his wife said as much on SA. Talking of his episodes of "blind drunkenness" and fights where he couldn't remember what he'd done or said to anyone. One might say if this kind of stuff shouldn't be discussed on an internet forum why did she post it on an internet forum in the first place? Isn't it a bit ironic to hear a goon complaining about having one's personal laundrey aired out to dry in a scandal that arose from (well) hanging somebody else's emotional laundrey out to dry.

See, I wouldn't really be as interested in all this were you and a thousand other goons trying your level best to pass this stuff off as acceptable behaviour for a player of eve online in the environment of fanfest. Thats what rubs me up the wrong way really because its excusing this grevious breach of trust on Alexander's behalf and going some way to invalidate his apology. The goons are making it look like a false statement because they are effectively trying to justify this kind of thing in the fanfest environment.

Quote:
You are just as bad as him but don't have the excuse of being drunk and making a flippant comment. You calculate. You use people. You probably drafted that post before posting it.


On that point we'll have to agree to disagree. I as a player of eve online have expressed my view that Alexander Gianturco is no longer an appropriate chair of the player council in Eve online. Its my right and priviledge as a paying customer of Eve to express this opinion as its your right to disagree. You may accuse me of whatever you please, it doesn't change what happened.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2017 - 2012-03-27 17:07:12 UTC
Alexandra Alt wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?


Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic...


We are literally in the movie Minority Report. Let's arrest and imprision anyone who makes a suggestive comment, ever.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#2018 - 2012-03-27 17:09:48 UTC
I luv playing EVE...

I really do....
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#2019 - 2012-03-27 17:12:33 UTC
Ice Fist wrote:
Alexandra Alt wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?


Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic...


We are literally in the movie Minority Report. Let's arrest and imprision anyone who makes a suggestive comment, ever.



Not at all, to be a murderer the event must have happened already. The 'Minority Report' dealt with preventing murder/crimes before they happened, so you would be a potential murderer. What he was answering clearly states murderer.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2020 - 2012-03-27 17:13:16 UTC
Tamir Lenk wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
[quote=Kallynda Nai]


Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.

And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across.



Tell me more about these "script hacks." That is a pretty strong accusation. Are you sure that goons have violated the ToS, the DMCA and other statutes to use some technical measure to inflate the "likes" for their posts? Or do you blithely libel people out of habit?

Perhaps you have been drinking.



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The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom