Player Features and Ideas Discussion

One of many old UI things that should be changed.

while it's a bit of a tacky work around, I just use the fitting tool and fit a specific setup. that way I can get everything at once, not just all the guns.

this, just learn to use it


also, if all 8 guns are unpackaged, this actually allready works

this should have been implemented ages ago
+1

How about this: I'd love the ability to build and save fits without owning the ship and modules. This way I could build out a fitting, save it, and when I need it just assemble the ship and load the fitting.

Expanding on that idea, it would be REALLY great if the system could tell me whether I have all the necessary items in my local hangar or whether I need to buy something else.

Even better is if they add "search assets" to right click on items, so that I can open a fit, find that I'm missing one item, and immediately search my assets list to see if I have that nearby.

I could carry this one for at least several more ideas, but I'll stop here. I think I need to write up a "little things" suggestion for UI improvements.

It's an alternative idea I came up with while thinking through the issue I posted about it. What you suggest takes the tedium out of fitting a stack of guns, but the rest of the fitting goes precisely the same. What I suggest is the ability to design the fit before you own the ship and modules, and then click one button to load the fit once you're in the ship. A natural progression from that is to make it easy to determine whether you own the fittings



I (and most Eve players) fit a lot more modules in sets of 2 and 3 than 7 or 8. Low- and mid slots often have more than one of an item. Your idea is great for high slots, but little else. In fact I fear it could be detrimental to new players who are learning to fit, as they'll be more likely to pile on all of one thing because it's easier

Maybe add a second layer to the fit to ship option that lets you chose a quantity, from 1 to 8? Then you get the ease of not dragging 8 lasers to your abaddon. Then it goes like this

Laser > Fit to ship > 8
Heat sink > fit to ship > 3
EANM > fit to ship > 2
...

*bump*

I suggested adding ONE MORE layer of menu where you choose the number of modules you want to fit to your ship, and you called it "far more obtuse". Then you suggested that if I don't want to fit 8 armor plates to my battleship, it's easier for me to shift + drag, type the number of plates I want to put on it, and THEN right click the new stack and chose to fit THAT set of plates. Yes, your way is far less obtuse than mine. What you're suggesting is very limited in its usefulness in that it ONLY fits a full rack, something very rarely done outside of high slots.


You are obviously going to shoot down any and all suggestions, variations, or derivatives of your idea as being inferior. You don't want a discussion, you just want people to nod, give you a like, and pat you on the back for a good idea. Since apparently you're not going to tolerate any attempts to make it into a more versatile idea, I'm just going to shoot it down.

This idea sucks. It's going to result in people accidentally fitting more modules than they intended and getting frustrated with the interface. It likely won't survive testing and developer time shouldn't be wasted on it. It's too much of a niche, one-purpose UI "feature" that it's just not worth doing.

Really, you learned all of this about me from one response? Dude, calm down, I'm not going to bother responding to your childish temper tantrum because someone called your idea a mean name.

Your suggestion was more obtuse because it adds more layers of complexity to something that it doesn't need to be. The answer is not, "more menus! SUB MENUS! DROP DOWN BOXES!" It does nothing but clutter up the UI in a game that already is infamous for a terrible UI.

The problem is/was simple,

Fitting a large number of the same item type is not easy, it requires 8 double clicks, or 8 drag/drop motions. The easiest way to do this is to make a command to fit all of a stack until the rack is inherently full.

If you want to fit one or two modules, the double click and drag/drop option is perfectly viable and not nearly that large of a pain in the ass. There are very few scenarios where you need only 4, or another larger number of a module, in which you can't fit out an entire rack.

In regards to player confusion, as I said previously this is easily modified by changing the text to "fit rack" or "Fill rack" or "fill available" which performs the same function but does not convey the idea of fitting a single module.

But, in your scenario where you have many stacks of packaged items and in need of 2 or 3 modules, double clicking twice is easier than right click, drop menu, drop menu, click.

I'm not going to sit here and debate with you whether an extra double click is inherently better than the .5 a second you wait for the drop down menus to added.

In regards to your other suggestions,



Make your own thread suggesting these ideas then, they require a much larger developer role and time invested than the one I am proposing. As it is, this is a small and very easy fixable solution, adding it to a larger overhaul of how ships are fit and the utility and ability to fit out ships by design is an entire different topic and not one that is relevant here.

...Seems to me that even with adding Floppy's idea, the ability to double-click to fit would remain. It wouldn't make any sense to take it out. So if you wanted to just add two, then go ahead and double-click twice. But if you wanted more, then you would Rightclick > Fit modules to active ship... > x.

Which incidentally, is click - short pause - click. Hardly time-consuming or awkward. Whereas fitting all 6, then pulling the 2 extra off because you only wanted 4, is a pain in the arse.