EVE General Discussion

There can not be fail if they follow crowdsourcing as their primary objective and do some important sideprojects of "their own" in the background. Some people obviously will not get what they want and will be unhappy to the things listed in crowdsourcing. These people however are the ones who would complain most likely about anything what isn't something they want. Voting works in real world and it works in the game also as long enough information is handed out and made sure that people know about what they are voting.

Obviously people who care about something will vote. However to make sure to get wide enough spread of voters, voting should be advertised and perhaps even rewarded somehow. There is always the silent majority who doesn't really care and won't vote. It is perfectly ok as they are the people who also adapt the best - or perhaps become active voters next time.

Aim of focus doesn't mean that CCP would have their hands tied. It just means that players get at least something important to them and game keeps evolving to the direction where the playerbase is willing it to go. If CCP thinks that incarna is their thing - they keep doing it. It is not a problem as long the main focus is on stuff what people actually value.

There is no way to please everyone right away, but if we take 10 yeard period of development, the potential truely could be something epic. Just focus on the content, don't be afraid to rewrite old code to make it better, improve graphics when possible, but don't do that to hide crap content. Rewritten old content with new features can be better crowdpleaser than some totally new feature what looks good but has no use to anyone.

This game has been under testing since 2003. Old forums are full of suggestions and long articles howto improve eve. There is more documentation and research about existing features than any manager could wish for. It is like golden plate full of win waiting for someone to come and loot. Usually companies pay top dollar to gain such information, but perhaps in here that has become too obvious thing to notice.

This is a game - it may be serious business but people still play it to enjoy themselves - give them stuff to enjoy and they stay.

This would prove far more productive then the CSM.

CCP we need more polish on FIS.
Please add:

1. More better Sexy Interactive GUI w/ more audio queues. - Attract everyone.
2. Reduce the draconian skill training times. - Attract Casuals
3. Add a "CareBear" low risk PvP element. - Attract CareBears to PvP Turn them into CareMonsters
4. Earning Aurum by doing very difficult things in game. - Attract Grinders
5. More shiny things to keep me looking at the game instead of browsing forums on the In game browser. - Attract instant gratification crowd.

Generally I agree with CSM Statement, but any way I am waiting for Incarna. I think it is nice part of eve world. From my point of view, would be so cool to make something like Mass Effect online, where people can choose themselfs what to do. It can be pew pew inside of station (if I cant take station using ships, why CCP doesnt want to give us possibility to take it by holding a weapon in our avatars' hands?). I would like to have shops, bars, but it doesnt mean that ships not interesting for me any more. It just great opportunity of our choise, like what deside - mission running or exploration or WH? I agree there are problems, but must be clearly defined balance between spending time on the new features and fixing existing code. EVE is the WORLD, UNIVERSE. EVE must be represented from all sides, not just ships.

I completely agree. CCP is never going to make everyone happy, especially since we have represented in the playerbase the very extremes of opinion from "You've been promising WiS for years, give it to us now" to "This is a FiS game and time spent on anything else is a total waste." The key is balance.

For good or ill, WiS is now with us. Personally I looked at it for a whole 10 minutes then elected to turn it off. Why? It's eye candy and it's nice but there's no actual gameplay in it for now. For now. As far as I can determine, this is what was intended of this first release, a stepping stone to getting beyond the door to establishments and having some gameplay in WiS. Personally, I'm still hopeful, although I like the feature mentioned in the recent devblog to choose whether to stay in your ship or enter your CQ when you dock. That's at least a nod to those who have no interest in WiS.

While I agree with the CSM's statement in general, I think that now WiS is a game feature, it should continue to be worked on. It shouldn't be worked on to the exclusion of everything else and I understand it isn't. It looks to an outsider as if it is currently the main thrust. The problems with FiS and other game mechanics have been with us for much longer and maybe they should be the main thrust instead for a time. Balance. Don't stop WiS development but downgrade it.

In my opinion, the reason this has come to a head is that the balance has been wrong for a number of years. I like the stuff CCP have been doing but I think it has been done in the wrong proportions. To correct a problem which has been rollercoasting along for that long will take some drastic action now, but it should be a temporary course correction. Don't consider any new features right now, focus on fixing existing content and iterating on shiny new content which was previously released. At a later stage, start to put some resources back into new features again. This I believe is the way to win back the respect of the players and see healthier trends in subscription numbers.

As for crowdsourcing, the most recent one was the first I had taken part in. I don't think anyone is selling it as being perfect, but it is a useful tool, which will become more useful if more people take part. Maybe I'm just thick but I had to read the voting instructions twice to figure out how it was being done. Keep this simple to get the best participation. We can all see how the crowdsourcing results can be skewed, CCP and the CSM can see that too. The results are just another feedback method for CCP to take into account in their decision making, not the sole one.

In summary, keep new features out of the picture until the problems with development focus are back on track, a bit less WiS (but not a complete halt), a bit more FiS (fixing long-established problems) and this game should continue to get better and better.

I gave a +1 but have a caveat to it.

CCP need to finish and deploy the first iteration of establishments. Too much effort has gone into Incarna already just to ditch it for the next year or more. Get the first deployment out, some multi-player environments and then let it settle for a deployment cycle with no major additions other than basic tweaks and fixes. Use that time to focus in on traditional EVE mechanics such as the sov system and FW.

I know this horse has been beaten to death, resurrected and beaten to death again, but (you knew it was coming) we ought to do the same for botting? Shouldn't be too hard for CCP to find them, right?

Oh look! Something constructive and useful from a CSM member!

CSM call us whiners, CCP call us rabble, people are still logging off. The clock is still ticking, nothing has been achieved.

meh.

Some of the "whiners" may have misinterpreted the CSM statement. Problem with the statement is that the CSM is giving you to read what they intend to tell CCP; word by word. But language between players is different than language between CSM and CCP obligatorily has to be -- at least since the CSM talks to CCP's upper management.

I fear there is a language disconnect between the CSM and dear readers. Possibly the CSM should not have players vote on their exact texts, which they then take to CCP. CSM needs to address CCP in terms that CCP is likely to understand and let them influence CCP's position. But if gathering input from the players, maybe a different style of wording would be better understood -- while maintaining the sense of the whole message ?

Semantical tactics aside, I appreciate that the CSM continuously gathers opinion on a broad scale with a multitude of methods.