Warfare & Tactics

Hi, im a big fan of EVE Online and very impressed with the work and all the new features you introduce every Year!!!
To cut things short, my last favourite Space/Simulator game was the Freespace Saga especially Freespace 2,
one of the best tactics in Freespace ,which is lacking in all other games and will make Eve Online very different and even more interesting to mostly new players is to be able to battle High Skilled players in their Battleships or Capitals with just a simple frigate!!!
To do this (since turrets are introduced and missile launchers in the future) i propose that
Sub System Targeting be introduced. By doing this a small frigate fighter will be able to not only play a small role it currently has, but also be usefull in Major battles by knocking out different modules on bigger sizes ships turning the battle without the effect of bigger size fleet or bigger guns fleet almost always wins, but the most strategic approach will win.

Think of a Frigate taking out the 1/8 guns of a Battleship, or its jump Drive capability, or the warp drive capability, or any other subsystem!!!

This is what made Freespace 2 a Great Game,
And will help with bigger market activity for the repair of new installment of these destroyed or damaged subsystem components.

Keep up the good work

I find it rather odd that you would dismiss subsystem targeting without even discussing how it would be implemented.

Well, he is insinuating it, but ...

Lasting damage from a smaller contributor like that will just further enable a large crowd to more easily micro and dismantle a smaller crowd. In most of the meta in the game it really has no place, small ships will not make a lasting contribution in that way to a large evensided fight or smaller skirmish, with fleet-level micro.

You should remember that numbers is a resource in EVE, and a very powerful resource to that. Allowing you to throw away numbers for lasting implications will have it's highest impact when you have numbers to throw away. In the meta of EVE that is detrimental to the game - we already have enough mechanics that discourages people to fight against numerical odds. We already have trends of entities growing larger and skirmishes growing few and far between. In short, it affect lopsided much more than evensided.

Also, keep in mind that many ships in EVE are very specialized, and being able to easily and lastingly effect that side of those ships will have a massive impact even if you simply target a single module. What modules can be targetted? It's a balance-perspective nightmare.

Small ships already have crippling functionality in EVE (rush tackle with scrams, for example); though the balance of their power to the scale and engagability of the game rest on their effect disappearing when the ship is destroyed or pushed away. Lasting damage to a module or group of modules will only result in there being less appeal to go out there and fight - and as mentioned, we already have negative trends of finding action.

All this is very abstract, i know.

Ok I will break it down into its simpliest terms.


If you want a game where an Interceptor and Arty Thrasher can take out a BS, or at the very least disable its ability to apply ANY dps then you are playing the wrong game.

A BS has large guns that will not track a fast moving frig flown correctly.

Is this not already a balance ?

A frig (typically) does not have the ability to solo a BS.

The idea you propose makes that possible.

Hence it sucks.


Questions ???

Suggesting you put away your shovel.

The basic idea you had is not your idea, it is a dynamic taken from a totally seperate game.

As for fitting small turrets to a BS............where do I start on that "basic idea"



Darik

I guess a pause will not be nesesery , instead when a frigate locks on to a BS it takes about 3-10s for Ship Locking time
when locking up to a sub system which is 1/50 of the ships mass of course it will take 20 times more time, so imagine
a 3-10 second delay for the initial lock + an extra 30-90 sec full subsystem scan + TAB (1-5 sec) to cycle through the prefered subsystem... or to make it even more difficult, the subsystem targeting can only be implemented with a subsystem scanner module

For the sake of the internet please lock this thread.

Subsystem targetting sounds nice on paper, but when you try to come up with an implementation you will see that it makes the game competely unbalanced. Especially the questions arrives: When do you do damage to a subsystem? While shields are on? While in armor? While in hull?

Electronic Warefare is currently providing something similar to subsystem targeting. E.g. Neutralizer target you cap while ECM target you locking computer etc.

Finally, if you are a good frigate pilot you can kill a weak battle ship pilot already... so everyhing is fine as it currently is with regards to this non-issue.

Its not a bad idea...

But It is too big of a change to a system that has been around for almost a decade.

I don't see it happening.

Highsec bears shouldn't post in this sub fourom ... For reasons like this