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Simvastatin Montelukast
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#1701 - 2012-03-27 12:46:48 UTC
Hmm, Did you break any part of the EULA?

Seems like we need a response from CCP here.
VaL Iscariot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1702 - 2012-03-27 12:47:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Mittens made a mistake, while drunk. Apologized to the community (which wasn't needed imo but whiny cearbears gonna whine) and privately apologized to "The Mackinaw Pilot."

I have no real opinion on Goonswarm or its CEO, but I take everything that comes from them with a grain of salt. Him stepping down from the CSM would be ******** and if you unsub because he doesn't(won't) then [...]


As a wiser man then me once said,

"deal with it~"

Edit: Inappropriate part removed, CCP Phantom
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1703 - 2012-03-27 12:47:30 UTC
Daviclond wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Daviclond wrote:
I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs.


It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.


The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.

The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.


To twist this knife of grey further, if you really want to class cyber-bullying, then EVE online itself is a cyber-bullying game.
Think about it, you find a target, blow him up, keep tabs on him and repeatedly blow him up. By 'common sense', this is merely griefing. But to the carebears here baying for Mittani's blood, it might as well be classed as cyber-bullying as well.
stavi shaushu
the f zazzmatazz corp
#1704 - 2012-03-27 12:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: stavi shaushu
If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.

EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
HazardsSoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1705 - 2012-03-27 12:51:18 UTC
stavi shaushu wrote:
If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.

Here we go again with all this legal ultimatums again -_-
Lexmana
#1706 - 2012-03-27 12:51:25 UTC
stavi shaushu wrote:
If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.


And I could start legal actions against you ... but what is the point?
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1707 - 2012-03-27 12:51:41 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:

Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding.
Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him.


Its almost as if they're real people with their own opinions. Shocking I know.
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1708 - 2012-03-27 12:53:01 UTC
This is a terrible bad figure, but the apology is good.

The mittani is a freaking bastard, but a great CSM with a lot of charisma; it is really unfortunate that he said those things during the alliance panel since it's hit the whole EVE online gaming community.

I hope that he does not resign, but he must behave because the risk here is to delegitimate the whole CSM.
ExhumeToConsume
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1709 - 2012-03-27 12:54:06 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding.
Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him. It was either wrong, or it wasnt. If it wasnt, and he beleives that, then he should retract his apology. If it was, then why the hell is he letting goons continue to post and defend him and his actions, particulalrly on the grounds they are using, which run counter to his position as stated in his apology? They all see it as a non incident, or rather that the guy doesnt have the right to play in the first place and shouldnt be playing if he is so thin skinned.

Really, their behavior is no different that it normally is, they deball and depants whoever they can, including those who are indignant. somewhere though, in the back of their minds it may begin to start to dawn on a few of them that the mainstream media is picking up this story, it'sd all over the gaming community, and they may begin to realize that reasonable objective people with no ax to grind can look at this from the outside and see how completely A to Z ****** this whole thing is. If the Mittani was wrong, then now they are all wrong.

The soulless sell their souls for a game.Ugh I should be shocked, but I guess they weren't using them anyway.


If our Space Stalin told us to kill ourselves we would gladly take our own lives in his honoUr.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1710 - 2012-03-27 12:54:06 UTC
stavi shaushu wrote:
If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.

EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.


Do you EVEN know the victim? As In know him in real life?

For all we know, the sob story he sent to us may of been a lie. Maybe he is actually a 12 year old kid living in his basement who was worried that, by losing his ships constantly, he needed to think up of a daring lie.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#1711 - 2012-03-27 12:54:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Karim alRashid
stavi shaushu wrote:
If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.

EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.


VIctim of what? Of losing a Mackinaw?

A victim of losing a record in some database, a.k.a. "internet spaceship pixels" ?

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Kara Roideater
#1712 - 2012-03-27 12:54:23 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:

To twist this knife of grey further, if you really want to class cyber-bullying, then EVE online itself is a cyber-bullying game.
Think about it, you find a target, blow him up, keep tabs on him and repeatedly blow him up. By 'common sense', this is merely griefing. But to the carebears here baying for Mittani's blood, it might as well be classed as cyber-bullying as well.


How the media ends up (ab)using it doesn't really depend on what it 'is', so much as on what it can be presented as. And if they do pick it up it will certainly be presented in the context of cyber-bullying as this is a term currently much beloved by the media. In the UK at least, this rubric is not restricted to stuff involving kids but the additional dimension of it happening in a 'game' is bound to reinforce the 'think of the children!' aspect of any story.
ExhumeToConsume
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1713 - 2012-03-27 12:55:31 UTC
stavi shaushu wrote:
If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.

EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.


I think the plaintiff and defendant have settled out of court already, sorry
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1714 - 2012-03-27 12:55:32 UTC
stavi shaushu wrote:
If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.

EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.


I could start a legal action tomorrow, it means nothing. It has to make it past checks and balances before it even gets near a court. Even if it does the judge can throw it out if he or she decides it still has no merrit in law.

Starting legal actions is easy, carrying them through to the end however is not.
Aiifa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1715 - 2012-03-27 12:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiifa
Headerman wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting their pimp mobiles nerfed


Notice how easily it could have swung the other way and ended witht he guy dead by his own hand because he was told by a tonne of people to do so?


There's no past propensity or trend for this to happen. The Wis hasn't ever successfully committed suicide.

But he's made mad space-cash threatening to do so.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1716 - 2012-03-27 12:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this

He may finally achieve his aim

And F up the game

TQ- closed

/edit screwing fish , while smoking hookers and eating blow just might not help this time

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Sidias
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#1717 - 2012-03-27 12:56:23 UTC
I never saw the live feed of the Alliance Panel, although I did read some of the posts and just thought it was Mittani being a general drunk on Stage that they were complaining about however after actually watching the Alliance Panel on YouTube I was utterly disgusted and quite frankly shocked that CCP allowed it to happen. The CSM is meant to be a representation of the EvE player base and I was really disappointed in what I saw in all of them let alone what Mittani done on stage. Is this now a true representation of what EvE has descended into ? Is EvE full of eilitists who troll and scam as much as they can to ruin someone else's games ?

I have been to Fanfest so i know that most of the time is spent drinking and such as I done it myself and I saw how even CCP encouraged the drinking on stage. However this was going way over the mark. You can drink and still be respectful to each other but things went way in the wrong direction. Mittani has brought some good to the game but this time I feel he has let the players, CCP and himself down. The only way I can see this being rectified is for Mittani to step down from the CSM entirely. The whole process is flawed anyway and I don't see the majority of the player base being represented by the CSM. It mainly comes down to who can acquire the most votes and as Goons are involved in the largest coalition it didn't surprise me that Mittani made chairman again. I would seriously consider my position with the coalition if the leader had done this to EvE although let's be honest the only people in the CFC coalition are people that like to be on the winning side and don't really care that Goons are the most hated alliance in the game.
Lexmana
#1718 - 2012-03-27 12:58:17 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this

He may finally achieve his aim

And F up the game

TQ- closed

Your brain is melting. Seriously. If you continue like this for much longer you might have to biomass just to get rid of the shame.
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#1719 - 2012-03-27 12:58:48 UTC
VaL Iscariot wrote:


Mittens made a mistake, while drunk. Apologized to the community (which wasn't needed imo but whiny cearbears gonna whine) and privately apologized to "The Mackinaw Pilot."



I don't think you understand the issues. Mittens is an elected representative of the EVE players. He's elected chair because he has the Goon block vote, but there are still a lot of us who voted for him because we thought he'd better the game. Bare in mind this is a game that already has a bad reputation for griefing - one must of us can live with, because we accept, EVE is hard.

Roll on Fanfest - a massive publicity event run by CCP - and he takes to the stage and giving a presentation (which I guess he prepared sober) he encouraged people to grief a player about out-of-game issues. There's not level at which this sort of cyber bullying was going to play out well.

It was foolish, and it has already garnered our game a lot of bad press in the gaming media. That's why he has to go. And that's nothing to do with whiny carebears whining.
Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#1720 - 2012-03-27 12:59:02 UTC
Everyone who unironically posted in this thread should go kill themselves.