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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1681 - 2012-03-27 12:38:38 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Darius Shakor wrote:
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Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life.



If he does not step down voluntarily, Sony, through CCP, WILL make sure it happens.

These people seem to not understand that at this point for CCP this is an INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, FIRST....a game, second.

Sony does not think its bank account or reputation is funny at all, or this situation. I promise that is for realz and true.


When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?



Seems you'll likel;y be stupider gratz

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#1682 - 2012-03-27 12:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
EnderCapitalG wrote:

When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?



HE ADMITS IT !!!

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#1683 - 2012-03-27 12:40:35 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:
The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.

I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.

Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?)


Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority

At least in the US, no document signed by anyone under 18 is legally binding, because minors are legally defined as mentally incompetent. Sorry!

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1684 - 2012-03-27 12:41:15 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
Daviclond wrote:
I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs.


It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.


The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.

The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1685 - 2012-03-27 12:41:43 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:
The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.

I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.

Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?)


Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority

At least in the US, no document signed by anyone under 18 is legally binding, because minors are legally defined as mentally incompetent. Sorry!



Diffrent in the UK and no need to apologise for you ignorance, learning is good fun

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1686 - 2012-03-27 12:42:39 UTC
Also can we just make this clear: Sony isn't going to do ****. This isn't even a blip in the radar for anyone other than forum posters.
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1687 - 2012-03-27 12:42:50 UTC
(your titans are still getting nerfed)
Lexmana
#1688 - 2012-03-27 12:42:53 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
You had your chances to elect someone else but since you din't take that chance you are now jumping in on this to try to force him out of his elected chair?


THIS.....is the dumbest response here. PERIOD. They VOTED for someone else....................good God, alcohol really does destroy the mind.

How do you know what 'they' voted for? I guess you didn't vote for Mittens ... maybe you didn't even vote at all.
Kara Roideater
#1689 - 2012-03-27 12:43:32 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Daviclond wrote:
I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs.


It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.



I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers


I have no problem with CCP getting a public kicking over this, although I don't particularly desire it. However, whilst I think that what The Mittani did was a very unfortunate thing to do in the context of a social game, and whilst I think there should be consequences for it within the game to discourage such behaviour, I don't think it is a sufficiently bad thing to warrant the god-awful intrusion into his real life that will follow if the regular media get hold of the story. Alex is a person too (a nasty, unpleasant person who takes pleasure in causing others suffering - sure) and I just don't see his getting RL grief for this to be a positive outcome.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1690 - 2012-03-27 12:43:38 UTC
Well I'm in two minds about this. It's good that Mittani apologised, although it's debatable whether it was genuine or forced, considering his belligerence before the SHTF on all major gaming websites. Around 90% of posts on MMO forums I've looked at have been negative and EVE has earnt itself pariah status, and not in a good way. At this point, I'm not comfortable logging in.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#1691 - 2012-03-27 12:44:15 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:


When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?


Seems you'll likel;y be stupider gratz


Hardly possible ...

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#1692 - 2012-03-27 12:44:16 UTC
This is all so ridiculous.
If this guy has problems in his life....his problem
If he needs to run 22 Eve accounts and wondes that his wife leaves him...his problem
If he links pictures of her in his Bio this is just VERY strange...VERY CREAPY...his Bio reads like....the worst piece of social pornography ever...#
ever.

Ban this guy!

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Anela Cistine
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1693 - 2012-03-27 12:44:19 UTC
stavi shaushu wrote:
CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.


Not a single eve player, a single eve player and several CCP employees. A player acting like a jerk is not their fault, but they are responsible for creating an environment where that is acceptable, for not stopping it when it was happening, and for broadcasting the bad behaviour to the public.



  • There was a CCP moderator there who said nothing, even after Alex revealed "the Wis" character name. If the moderator isn't going to moderate rules violations and/or cyber bullying, what is the point of having him there? Was the moderator intimidated by the skinny drunkard?

  • CCP employees also got to preview the slides, and apparently had no objections. They did not know in advance that Alex would get carried away in the moment and suggest other players should use locator agents to find the Wis and blow him up, but they did know about the "suicidal" evemail and the general tone of the presentation.

  • There were the CCP staff running the stream. They could have bleeped out the name, but didn't. Even when rerun, the name is clearly audible. Without the recording and broadcast, how many people physically in the audience would have remembered the name?


If rules were broken, CCP staffers were accomplices. If heads will roll, several of those heads should be CCP employees.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#1694 - 2012-03-27 12:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Kara Roideater wrote:
The Mittani's apology wrote:

When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.



The 'Deal with it' quote came at 16:01 on the 25th of March.

Two hours later, at 18:07, The Mittani seemed to have a pretty reasonable recall of the details of the event and had this to say:

The Mittani wrote:

Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for.


Link

I'm struggling a bit with this. Is it really credible to suppose that the comments on the 25th are not actually representative of The Mittani's personal views on his actions (views which chime with those of most Goons still posting on this matter) and that he really didn't get reminded of what he said until two days later, at which point he was immediately filled with remorse? Or is it more plausible that the apology was completely empty and simply a calculated move to cool fires and minimise criticisms, spurred only by the degree of flak he was getting?

I toyed with making a new thread out of this but thought it would be better to just let it get buried in the current threadnaught, since it doesn't matter much either way. I would, however, be interested in whether any Goons think he was actually sincere.



Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding.
Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him. It was either wrong, or it wasnt. If it wasnt, and he beleives that, then he should retract his apology. If it was, then why the hell is he letting goons continue to post and defend him and his actions, particulalrly on the grounds they are using, which run counter to his position as stated in his apology? They all see it as a non incident, or rather that the guy doesnt have the right to play in the first place and shouldnt be playing if he is so thin skinned.

Really, their behavior is no different that it normally is, they deball and depants whoever they can, including those who are indignant. somewhere though, in the back of their minds it may begin to start to dawn on a few of them that the mainstream media is picking up this story, it'sd all over the gaming community, and they may begin to realize that reasonable objective people with no ax to grind can look at this from the outside and see how completely A to Z ****** this whole thing is. If the Mittani was wrong, then now they are all wrong.

The soulless sell their souls for a game.Ugh I should be shocked, but I guess they weren't using them anyway.
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1695 - 2012-03-27 12:44:46 UTC
Daviclond wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Daviclond wrote:
I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs.


It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.


The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.

The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.


Nope. Mittani the Great is going to be dismissed and hopefully, he will be never eligible to run as CSM ever again.

We are not asking Mittani the Great to resign out of political gain. We do this because we love and care about EVE Online. Once Mittani the Great spitted out his nonsensical rambling during the Fanfest, he let all us know that he has no respect for the game or for anyone else, but himself.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1696 - 2012-03-27 12:44:52 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Daviclond wrote:
I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs.


It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.



I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers


I have no problem with CCP getting a public kicking over this, although I don't particularly desire it. However, whilst I think that what The Mittani did was a very unfortunate thing to do in the context of a social game, and whilst I think there should be consequences for it within the game to discourage such behaviour, I don't think it is a sufficiently bad thing to warrant the god-awful intrusion into his real life that will follow if the regular media get hold of the story. Alex is a person too (a nasty, unpleasant person who takes pleasure in causing others suffering - sure) and I just don't see his getting RL grief for this to be a positive outcome.



He pursued 'Fame' ingame it might spill into the Real world, nothing anyone can do relly now

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues
#1697 - 2012-03-27 12:45:02 UTC
As far as me concerned that looks like a decent enough apology. He probably should step down as chairman for the sake of the community and not to silence the drivel from vultures. Wether he remains a CMS or not i dont really care about.

If its a troll, its a good one. Personally i dont think it is.
Memrox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1698 - 2012-03-27 12:45:04 UTC
Right if Mittens steps down, vote for me and I will take over.

Some benefits of my control, sorry I mean leadership.

Key Factors of my administration are as follows;

  • All bullying will be removed from the game, IRL aswell and a new EULA will be drafted for this.

  • For carebears, Wars will be removed and High-Sec will be extended to Low-Sec with a new name, Care-Sec.

  • Goons will be removed, and all of their stuff I will has.

    • This is all, please vote for me.
    TheBlueMonkey
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #1699 - 2012-03-27 12:46:16 UTC
    seriously?
    an apology?
    ISquishWorms
    #1700 - 2012-03-27 12:46:40 UTC
    This is not ok!! Something similar to this happened before on JTV.

    "The teenager took an overdose of pills while on camera and was apparently encouraged to do so by commentators on Justin.tv and a bodybuilding site, according to the report" source

    ‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.