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Vila eNorvic
#1621 - 2012-03-27 12:06:07 UTC
Elena Melkan wrote:
In real life politics, politicians have been joking about much worse things and got away with it. In REAL LIFE. This is a (serious internet) game.

He didn't do it in game. He did on a live video stream. Get it? A LIVE video stream.

In other words, REAL LIFE.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1622 - 2012-03-27 12:06:32 UTC
ExhumeToConsume wrote:
Master Andrew wrote:

you are a special snowflake...


Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice.



Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life

It is nothing personal against Alex or the Goons etc

I have a histroy of putting you down ingame etc.. you know this I know this , this is 'the game'

Life and Death issues are far beyond some stupid space sim as far as I'm concerned sorry

The line was crossed, even if only one mortal excistance was threatened

THAT IS TOO MUCH, AND MUST BE STOPPED

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
HazardsSoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1623 - 2012-03-27 12:08:05 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
ExhumeToConsume wrote:
Master Andrew wrote:

you are a special snowflake...


Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice.



Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life

It is nothing personal against Alex or the Goons etc

I have a histroy of putting you down ingame etc.. you know this I know this , this is 'the game'

Life and Death issues are far beyond some stupid space sim as far as I'm concerned sorry

The line was crossed, even if only one mortal excistance was threatened

THAT IS TOO MUCH, AND MUST BE STOPPED

aww look at this little eve-o detective,
Warning to all, this guy will put you down. J/k we will just laugh at this pubbie
Taron Nait
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1624 - 2012-03-27 12:08:35 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA.


ITT people who think the EULA should apply to real life.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1625 - 2012-03-27 12:08:36 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
It is nothing personal against Alex or the Goons etc


Of all you things you've said, this one's the funniest, and I'm including you accusing Mittens of attempted murder in that list. Good show!

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1626 - 2012-03-27 12:11:00 UTC
Sing Xing wrote:
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
Do not fall for his serenading apologetic letter to garner vindication of his misconduct and emotional appeal to redeem himself from the "scandal" he has caused.

It has been CLEAR EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING that he never had an ounce of doubt about his misconduct during the Fanfest 2012. He stood firm and resolute in the rightfulness of inciting thousands of players to provoke a mentally unstable player to commit suicide.

These are the responses from Mittani the Great prior to this debacle and public outcry:

"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."

"~10,058~"

He even lies to all of us by telling us that he never incited the players to send mails to provoke him to commit suicide when there is a video that clearly shows that he is delusional and a liar: "Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for. "

Him justifying his misconduct by telling all of us that what he did abides by the spirit of EVE Online: "Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself."

Since the beginning, he has seen no error in him inciting thousands of EVE players to provoke an unfortunate guy to commit suicide. He willingly, knowingly, and deliberately showed misconduct because he sincerely believes that there is nothing wrong with doing so. His responses explain his thoughts.

Do not fall for his "apologies." He only wrote this AFTER he got stream of news media covering his misconducts. He was scared of losing the chairmanship, his account, and his leadership over Goons.



Damn, this is almost (almost) as disgusting as making a drunken, terrible joke about a guy killing himself. Using this to further your own petty political agenda is right up there with The Mittani himself. You should be ******* ashamed of yourself, it's obvious that you dont give a flying F about suicide-guy or cyber-bullying, but just desperately want to get Mittani out the CSM chair.



Hahaha of course that is the intent! Why would ANYONE want a morally deprived man who has singlehandedly brought multiple negative publicity on EVE Online in a single day, as CSM Chair, or let alone, allow him to seat in the CSM?

I have nothing against Goons. Prior to his unexplainable moral depravity, I respected Mittani the Great. He is one of the most articulate and crowd puller CCP can ever hope for. If he didn't commit this "scandal," I would've still respected him.

I am not fueled by my own "political agenda." I do this because I love EVE Online.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1627 - 2012-03-27 12:12:20 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:



Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life



I'm a psychic. I see your future will include locator agents, ganking, frustration, tears and being trolled.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#1628 - 2012-03-27 12:13:57 UTC
The decision will be at CCP anyway...and it will be one based on legal issues and not on ethical or a "oh you haz been veeeeery bad to XY" decision. So stop the ******* drama here...

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Ayumi Hinoki
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#1629 - 2012-03-27 12:14:10 UTC
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
Do not fall for his serenading apologetic letter to garner vindication of his misconduct and emotional appeal to redeem himself from the "scandal" he has caused.

It has been CLEAR EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING that he never had an ounce of doubt about his misconduct during the Fanfest 2012. He stood firm and resolute in the rightfulness of inciting thousands of players to provoke a mentally unstable player to commit suicide.

These are the responses from Mittani the Great prior to this debacle and public outcry:

"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."

"~10,058~"

He even lies to all of us by telling us that he never incited the players to send mails to provoke him to commit suicide when there is a video that clearly shows that he is delusional and a liar: "Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for. "

Him justifying his misconduct by telling all of us that what he did abides by the spirit of EVE Online: "Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself."

Since the beginning, he has seen no error in him inciting thousands of EVE players to provoke an unfortunate guy to commit suicide. He willingly, knowingly, and deliberately showed misconduct because he sincerely believes that there is nothing wrong with doing so. His responses explain his thoughts.

Do not fall for his "apologies." He only wrote this AFTER he got stream of news media covering his misconducts. He was scared of losing the chairmanship, his account, and his leadership over Goons.
HazardsSoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1630 - 2012-03-27 12:14:11 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:



Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life



I'm a psychic. I see your future will include locator agents, ganking, frustration, tears and being trolled.

Wait.
This isn't already happening?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1631 - 2012-03-27 12:15:24 UTC
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
I am not fueled by my own "political agenda." I do this because I love EVE Online.


You're going to have to post with your main if you want anyone to believe that for even a second.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
ExhumeToConsume
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1632 - 2012-03-27 12:15:44 UTC
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
ExhumeToConsume wrote:

Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice.



Cant we just wardec him or is that cyberbullying too?


Probably, and now our Elite Lawyerperson (retired) is going to jail. What will we do? :ohdear:
stavi shaushu
the f zazzmatazz corp
#1633 - 2012-03-27 12:15:59 UTC
CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#1634 - 2012-03-27 12:16:25 UTC
Solid Raiden wrote:
Sarina Berghil wrote:
Anyone can feel on top on the world while drunk, but it takes real balls to own up to it and write an apology like that. That is a commendable act


Real balls? It takes 5 minutes writing some meaningless words on a paper. Nothing more. Apologizing is just another way of manipulating people.

So after this, this and this, all of the sudden he is sorry and we should just accept it? Words are meaningless unless followed by actions.


Quoted for truth.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#1635 - 2012-03-27 12:16:57 UTC
stavi shaushu wrote:
CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.


Sadly true

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#1636 - 2012-03-27 12:17:04 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA.

If he was not logged in he could not violate the EULA....

Did he say it in game, or in person?

If talking smack like that(tasteless smack, but that still all it is) were something that a EULA could cover, then the microsoft eula would allow them to sue you for saying the Steve Ballmer is an a-hole(he is, just FYI, been saying it for years, and publicly, still no lawsuit).

Thing is, the language he used and attitudes he displayed are fairly common slang in eve-o, so RL rules on whats acceptable don't apply.(did you know that the word **** is an immediate ban in WOW... Unless you are talking about an in-game situation?)

This leaves the situation in a grey area. His behavior was acceptable as a internet spaceship pilot, its part of the game, but he displayed the behavior in real life... While at an event where everyone is basically 'in character' because its a bunch of internet spaceship nerds talking about internet spaceships. This leads to a situation where people who are simply watching have multiple, conflicting, behavioral cues to try to read and interpret, which means that something that was meant in the same way it is said hundreds of times on these forums, and thousands in-game, can be interpreted in a real-world context, leading to people thinking truly horrible things about someone who screwed up because he was drunk.

Lets repeat that. He was drunk, and he screwed up. The normal response in society for someone who screwed up because they were drunk the first time is to make them fix it if they show remorse, or punish them in a mild fashion to try to teach them remorse.

Of course, the normal response in eve if someone screws up because they were drunk is to tell them to take another shot.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Zhade Lezte
#1637 - 2012-03-27 12:17:33 UTC
Solid Raiden wrote:
I won't pretend I'm some sort of moralist here asking for him to be punished for what he did. I don't really care. Was it appropriate? Not really, but then again in all honesty, who cares?

But I am having a laugh seeing Mittani squirm and would enjoy seeing his CSM chair burn.


A rare moment of honesty at the end of this Raiden dot post.
Frying Doom
#1638 - 2012-03-27 12:17:48 UTC
Taron Nait wrote:
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA.


ITT people who think the EULA should apply to real life.

Actually being that quiet often EULA's are non legal documents as some sections of them are generally void in different parts of the world saying it breaks the rules is kind of silly. Especially as it occurred outside of the game. This is more about the black eye CCP has now gotten and what their response needs to be to prevent opening them selves to law suits down the track.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Allataria
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1639 - 2012-03-27 12:19:06 UTC
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
If he didn't commit this "scandal," I would've still respected him.



Please explain what scandal was committed because this stuff happens all the time in warfare and pvp and those people who are all worked up about this are nothing but butthurt carebears who do nothing but mission and mine and never pvp or people who just want to see Goons fail and burn who are nothing but hypocrites because they know they have done the same thing in game as well.
Memrox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1640 - 2012-03-27 12:20:36 UTC
I want to see a Music Vid with him in it or this apology means nothing.

Something Like This.