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Each ship should have a base fit.

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Beckett Firesnake
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-27 11:10:47 UTC
Each ship have a basic purpose.
So each ship should have a base fit that could be fly by any pilot who have the recommended skills and certificates.
These base loadouts could be rewards in some missions given by agents.
Special missions could give you a Navy version of the ship entirely fitted.
With this base fit it would be easier to see how far your own fit is.
It would help newbies to understand the fitting principles.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2012-03-27 11:24:21 UTC
Only things that helps understanding fitting principles are EFT and pyfa.

Typical fits could/should be on the Evelopedia, tho.

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Kiwis23
Kiwis Corp
#3 - 2012-03-27 11:31:19 UTC
I'd agree only on ships given with all civilian modules :) normal or dear god navy fitted ship for a mission? You should run that mission for 10 straight hours with perfect tengu, and big chance to loose it...
If you're talking about only fit giving for a mission, but not a ship, then you're wrong again - nobody would do that. Some newbie missions does gives some modules, what more do you want? buy T1 or worst case - civilian modules.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#4 - 2012-03-27 11:31:22 UTC
I know that ICE are bad at fitting everything but a hulk and you would need help, but I liked my first condor, with the fit I looted (from the tutorial) and get from the starter station. It was GLORIOUS.
EVE is a sandbox, and any kind of "standard fit" would taint it a bit more.

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Beckett Firesnake
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-27 11:41:55 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
I know that ICE are bad at fitting everything but a hulk and you would need help, but I liked my first condor, with the fit I looted (from the tutorial) and get from the starter station. It was GLORIOUS.
EVE is a sandbox, and any kind of "standard fit" would taint it a bit more.


No in fact i do not have any problem in fitting ships.

But if there is no base fit, how can you see if you are doing it right or wrong?

I do not speak for old players. I speak for new players.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#6 - 2012-03-27 12:08:24 UTC
EVE needs less standardization, not more...

Beckett Firesnake wrote:
But if there is no base fit, how can you see if you are doing it right or wrong?

If you blow up, or fail to blow others up, you're doing it wrong.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#7 - 2012-03-27 12:14:05 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
Reppyk wrote:
I know that ICE are bad at fitting everything but a hulk and you would need help, but I liked my first condor, with the fit I looted (from the tutorial) and get from the starter station. It was GLORIOUS.
EVE is a sandbox, and any kind of "standard fit" would taint it a bit more.


No in fact i do not have any problem in fitting ships.

But if there is no base fit, how can you see if you are doing it right or wrong?

I do not speak for old players. I speak for new players.

If it does what you intended it's 'right', if it doesn't do what you intended then it's 'wrong'

Simple as that really

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Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-27 13:06:36 UTC
This would lessen innovation in fittings. If you can manage to armor tank a Raven somehow then go ahead. it's not a good idea but if you can then go ahead. Eve does have a basic fit, it's shoot and be able to get shot.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#9 - 2012-03-27 13:21:31 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
This would lessen innovation in fittings. If you can manage to armor tank a Raven somehow then go ahead. it's not a good idea but if you can then go ahead. Eve does have a basic fit, it's shoot and be able to get shot.


For the love of god don't take my comment here as support for the OP but no amount of "basic fits" could lessen innovation in fittings. In fact I would fully expect a bad basic fit to be completely ignored and wifdely ridiculed...

In fact seeing what the Polaris fleet dropped and the KMs they produced I would be minded to go missioning for the basic fits myself... for the comedy value...
Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#10 - 2012-03-27 13:26:07 UTC
One of the great things about eve is there could be sooo many different fits. The fun is experimenting and finding out for yourself which fit you find the best. We all had to learn the hard way, and its not a bad thing that new players have to figure these things out. It can only do them good!

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........

Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-03-27 13:26:14 UTC
I would have to concure. Standard fitting not only throws out a fundamental part of what makes Eve what it is, it also throws out how training into slills effects fits. The diff in fitting with wep upgrades 5 and others greatly changes what the right way to fit is for each pilot individually.

Then there is the question of more versatile hulls. Lets look at the hurricane for example. You have the welpfleet 2xLSE fit and then the 1600 brick fit. Which one should be the "right" way to standard fit it? Or a strat cruiser? Should there be a 5^5th number of standard fits to go with a tengu then?

Finally who sets the fits? The devs? Haven't they done enough to homogenize ships into being more amd more all the same? The T3 BCs show what a standardized function looks like where your "highly suggested" to use a ship only one way. Id really rather avoid that in the future.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-03-27 18:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
If you want a bad basic fit you can always post to this forum called Ships & Modules with a general request for a fit. Here, you can use this template:

Quote:

Hi guys....... I am new to EVE and I thot this one ship is really cool and I want to fly it but dont know what equipment to use...... The ship is a :insert ship name here: and imo it is the best! Big smile

so what stuff do I put on the ship?? i just need smth simple and easy (remember guys I am newto this OopsOops) and i dont have leet skillz yet so go easy on me because T2 is hard to use.

ty much! Cool


I guarantee you will get plenty of horrible fits in response.

Ed: Alternatively if :effort: is a problem just go to http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-27 19:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
Each ship have a basic purpose.
So each ship should have a base fit that could be fly by any pilot who have the recommended skills and certificates.
These base loadouts could be rewards in some missions given by agents.
Special missions could give you a Navy version of the ship entirely fitted.
With this base fit it would be easier to see how far your own fit is.
It would help newbies to understand the fitting principles.

WoW transplant?

From personal experience, it was fun fitting cruiser ab on a rifter, not a very usefull fit, but it usually bogles the minds of people like the Becket when I post it in corp chat.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-03-27 19:04:26 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
Reppyk wrote:
I know that ICE are bad at fitting everything but a hulk and you would need help, but I liked my first condor, with the fit I looted (from the tutorial) and get from the starter station. It was GLORIOUS.
EVE is a sandbox, and any kind of "standard fit" would taint it a bit more.


No in fact i do not have any problem in fitting ships.

But if there is no base fit, how can you see if you are doing it right or wrong?

I do not speak for old players. I speak for new players.

There is no right or wrong way.

There is: "Hey! This works for me." and "Hey :( This does not work for me."

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

DaRiKavus
Mosh Pit
THE BESTICLES
#15 - 2012-03-27 19:12:02 UTC
Getting a little p****d off with all the, make Eve easy threads of late.

Darik

Out

Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#16 - 2012-03-27 19:12:20 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
Each ship have a basic purpose.
So each ship should have a base fit that could be fly by any pilot who have the recommended skills and certificates.
These base loadouts could be rewards in some missions given by agents.
Special missions could give you a Navy version of the ship entirely fitted.
With this base fit it would be easier to see how far your own fit is.
It would help newbies to understand the fitting principles.



You don't get Eve.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/

Fleet Warpsujarento
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-03-27 19:15:40 UTC
I don't trust CCP to know what ships are actually good for. Have you ever read the descriptions of ships ingame?

-Dominix: "Its...powerful weapons batteries means that anyone not in the largest and latest battleships will regret ever locking horns with it."
-Drake:"the inclusion of sufficient CPU capabilities for decent electronic warfare goes without saying."
-Celestis: "True to Gallente style the Celestis is especially deadly in close quarters combat due to its advanced targeting systems."
-Caracal:"The Caracal is a powerful vessel that specializes in missile deployment. It has excellent shield defenses, but poor armor plating. Its missile arsenal, when fully stocked, is capable of making a piece-meal of almost anyone."
-Omen: "The Omen is a stereotypical example of the Amarrian School of thinking when it comes to ship design: thick armor and hard hitting lasers."
-Prophecy: "it was determined after mixed fleet engagements with early prototypes that the Prophecy would be more effective as a slightly smaller, more mobile form of artillery support."






Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#18 - 2012-03-27 19:32:50 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
There is no right or wrong way.

There is: "Hey! This works for me." and "Hey :( This does not work for me."


Well, almost. There is no right way, but there most certainly are plenty of wrong ways. My raven was equipped etc....

All that aside, why would we want to further screw with the market here? Meta 0 is player-manufactured already, so increasing those drops would just make it harder for industrialists, higher meta except 5 has drop-limited scarcity, and meta 5 actually has a robust market entirely driven by players. Creating more in any one of these categories would tweak the market in unwanted ways.

And I'm not even going to touch the assertion that CCP fitting ships would help new players learn how to do so themselves. That's just dropped-on-head crazy.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#19 - 2012-03-27 20:18:58 UTC
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
But if there is no base fit, how can you see if you are doing it right or wrong?
What is "right" ? Tell me.

Jayrendo Karr wrote:
This would lessen innovation in fittings. If you can manage to armor tank a Raven somehow then go ahead. it's not a good idea but if you can then go ahead. Eve does have a basic fit, it's shoot and be able to get shot.
I fly 2 different fits of armor raven ; and let's just say they are efficient.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !

Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#20 - 2012-03-27 20:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpad
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