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My Apology

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Tish Magev
Pyke Syndicate
Solyaris Chtonium
#1541 - 2012-03-27 11:06:12 UTC
Means nothing until you actually resign, otherwise it's nothing more than an empty statement for the simple purpose of regaining public favour.

TL;DR;

GTFO
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1542 - 2012-03-27 11:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Misunderstood Genius
This serious internet spaceship profession is becoming a huge waste of important RL time. All this burned RL time around EVE like CSM, flying to Island for nerd talk, spending time for a game like a 500K-sallary-per-year manager should make us think about what we get from this: Nothing special at the end.
OwenJ
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1543 - 2012-03-27 11:06:26 UTC
The Mittani wrote:

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel....If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so.


I voted for you. In my opinion, you have the guts to admit you are wrong and have offered an apology while showing a great deal of remorse. This shows you have character. Knowing this, I will not want to change my vote.

Every person in these forums would have done something as stupid sometime in their past, at another time, in another context maybe. Point to anyone who says they haven't and I'll show you a liar.

Did they have the guts like you have and really apologise for their actions while showing remorse?

It is this which proves I have voted for the right person.

Shai 'Hulud
#1544 - 2012-03-27 11:06:42 UTC
He made a bad joke while obviously very drunk.

CCP posted the video for the whole world to see.

The most useful slaves are those that believe themselves to be free

Frying Doom
#1545 - 2012-03-27 11:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Elena Melkan wrote:

There is (or well, at least on that moment when the mockery happened) not a single solid proof that the player mentioned was even depressed. This is internet. You can lie, you can cheat as much as you want and never be held responsible for what you have done. To me it seemed more like attention seeking, or even a threat, so he could get away from the situation and stop losing his precious internet spaceships. Certainly it seemed like that to the people who mocked him - they didn't take him seriously, because, you know, there is always a chance that he can cheat.

I don't know of course, there is possibility that this guy really is depressed. People have killed themselves over internet stuff before. It just seems strange, that as a depressed and especially a suicidal person you go and tell about your depression to someone you don't know. Knowing some that are suffering from that illness, they usually tend to hide it from strangers because they are ashamed of themselves. Heck, telling it to your best friends or the people you trust the most can be very difficult sometimes. Of course the cases can vary, but many of the suicide threats are part of angst and attention seeking - they are not really going to do it.

The important thing is that The Mittani apologized. He made a mistake. In my eyes, the mistake he made wasn't so severe that he should be ultimately punished for that.

Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

VaL Iscariot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1546 - 2012-03-27 11:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: VaL Iscariot
Those silly goonies.

So how much did The Mittani pay to fix Alexander's little goof? 200 million? 500? A billion? Maybe more? As long as that guy never gets bothered again by whatever manifestation Goonswarm takes next year, I see no reason why mittens can't keep his chairman position. He won it fair and metagame-square.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1547 - 2012-03-27 11:08:50 UTC
Tish Magev wrote:
MY TITAN a bloo blooo blooo bloooooooooooooo


literally all I could read in your post

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R3dSh1ft
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1548 - 2012-03-27 11:09:04 UTC
Fenris Deka wrote:
Yumi Sagara wrote:
Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.

Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :)


So you clearly want him deposed, as I suspect everyone against Mittani in this thread want.

Typical that you would voice outright what everyone here is afraid to voice.

Using a drunk comment to depose a guy is the dumbest thing. It's the equivalent of a Senator losing his seat in the Senate because he stated at a party while drunk, "I think Hilary should be on her knees."


Seen this argument a lot. Would like to clarify from my perspective that its not about the "one drunken comment" so much as the man it revealed to the public due to his lack of self-control and vocalisation filter.

Its not a position from which somebody in the public limelight can recover as he no longer represents their views, so he must go.
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1549 - 2012-03-27 11:10:23 UTC
We read the tears on your forums Raiden and I bet you would just LOVE Mittens to step down.

Try harder
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1550 - 2012-03-27 11:11:16 UTC
And by try harder I mean you should probably stop posting
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1551 - 2012-03-27 11:11:49 UTC
Mittens, bloody hell m8, who takes a drunk person seriously?

If you had said that and the guy really did kill himself, you should feel bad. But he's alive and still sort of an ass (as portrayed in the text interview I read). So don't feel bad, kill moar miners!

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#1552 - 2012-03-27 11:13:54 UTC
I have one major questions

How does telling someone to kill themselves constitute threatening them?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/threat?s=t
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/threaten?s=t

A threat implies action on the part of the threatening person. At no point was anyone told to go out and KILL the guy, just to try and convince him to kill himself.

Its not a good thing, but its not a threat, and not something anyone would(or did) actually do.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1553 - 2012-03-27 11:15:40 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life.


And yet literally NOBODY listened to him, because anyone who heard the words come out of his mouth and took it seriously was already looking for something to get righteously angry about. Everyone else saw it for what it was - a joke. A joke in extremely poor taste, a joke that certainly never should have been made, but a joke nonetheless.

Anyone who actually listened to the words come out of his mouth and still believes it was a genuine, bonafide threat has suspect motives or the worst judgement known to man.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Cosmos Serendipity
BRAHMA CORP
#1554 - 2012-03-27 11:15:58 UTC
This is like an AA moment, the first step is to realize you have a problem. I was actually quite suprised to see an appology. Hopefully it isn't just a space politician appology, but lets face it, this isn't the first time something like this has happened though. I seem to remember something about making fun of a players rl death. I don't really remember the details of how that came about though since I was just starting to look at the null sec alliances at the time, that turned me off of goons from the start.


I do see this as a good first step in any case and hope that it is the beggining of a new Mittens/ Goon era.
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1555 - 2012-03-27 11:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Misunderstood Genius
Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1556 - 2012-03-27 11:18:29 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious.


ahahaha you think a perma-ban is even on the table

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HazardsSoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1557 - 2012-03-27 11:19:11 UTC
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious.

Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this...
I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe...
Gtfo
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#1558 - 2012-03-27 11:21:07 UTC
HazardsSoul wrote:
Misunderstood Genius wrote:
Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious.

Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this...
I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe...
Gtfo


That justifies does it no

The fact you all seem to fail to recognise the life/death signifacance of this and carry on blabering your ingam meme's is sad really imo

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Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#1559 - 2012-03-27 11:21:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life.

It is definitely hard, if you make it bigger thing than it is.

In real life politics, politicians have been joking about much worse things and got away with it. In REAL LIFE. This is a (serious internet) game.
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1560 - 2012-03-27 11:21:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenris Deka
R3dSh1ft wrote:
Fenris Deka wrote:
Yumi Sagara wrote:
Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.

Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :)


So you clearly want him deposed, as I suspect everyone against Mittani in this thread want.

Typical that you would voice outright what everyone here is afraid to voice.

Using a drunk comment to depose a guy is the dumbest thing. It's the equivalent of a Senator losing his seat in the Senate because he stated at a party while drunk, "I think Hilary should be on her knees."


Seen this argument a lot. Would like to clarify from my perspective that its not about the "one drunken comment" so much as the man it revealed to the public due to his lack of self-control and vocalisation filter.

Its not a position from which somebody in the public limelight can recover as he no longer represents their views, so he must go.


I can see your point, but conversely he does in fact represent the base feelings of almost every person, just they don't want to reveal that to the world. Look, we all say what we say when we're drunk, I once told the group of guys I was getting drunk with that we should play in the street, and play dodgeball with the cars. I was beyond drunk, so drunk i never remembered it until my brother brought it up randomly one day, I seriously thought he smoked one too many bowls when he said it to me.

On a serious note, no one has ever been deposed of any position because they said something stupid, not even in the game. There are some hateful things said in game and on these forums, and the most those offenders get is a slap on the wrist and their post deleted. This goes for CSM members as well as alliance leaders and so forth.

Last I knew, alliance leaders, and corp leaders, are public figures yet we don't hold them to the mythical pedestal that we are now saying we hold Mittani to. If you are going to set a precedence, then hold it true to every single member of the forum, every single account holder in game no matter the position they hold, and make sure that the punishment they receive is on par with whatever MIttani gets, because otherwise would be hypocrisy on a massive scale.

Seriously, this is no worse than what happens in the crime and punishment forum, there is even way worse crap posted in there than what Mittani stated at the Panel.