EVE General Discussion

Edit: the hell it broke my post

The End.

Nothing more to see, move along now and leave quietly while the end credits scroll...

Good grief.

The man was hammered. He has apologised profusely. Real arrogance would have been not to do so.
Quite a few of you here are are doing exactly what you accuse The Mittens of doing, right here in these forums, in your own way.
The Judge, Jury and Executioner.

What The Mittens said was a terrible thing. He admits that, he apologises and there's more that has happened in the background to remedy the situation between him and the victim than you will ever see in these forums.

But he cannot really apologise, can he ? If he does, he's just covering his backside. If he does, he's just trying to save his Chairmanship. There's nothing he can do or say in these forums that will please those of you seeking blood, is there ? Oh wait, you want him to resign, or to be banned. Yeah, let's destroy another life whilst the opportunity exists. Afterall, it's his own fault is it not ?

Shame on you. Those of you with those thoughts are sober, well, most of you are. The Mittens was not, that was blatantly evident. That's not an excuse, it's part of the situation leading-up to this incident.

Here you are though, beying for blood, for "justice". Shame on you. I'm sober, sound of mind and lived long enough during hard times to say this to you who are crying from the rafters :-

Judge not lest ye be Judged.

God loves you all.

I find myself having to agree with you. Its the only thing which makes any sense in this and quite frankly, this is far more disgusting than anything that was said at fanfest.

Too little, too late! If alcohol lifts the border of the two, it’s time to leave for your own good. What damage could be done to yourself next time you might not remember?

So who shall it be you will give up, the mittens or yourself?

Too bad, I liked some of the stuff you set up in Game but it’s your choice now.

This is now the most sensible post in this entire thread, besides the OP.

He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.

So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.

What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.

I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.

PS: Grow a spine

Only if the rest of council agrees with the resignation, which they won't and will want him to stay in the position. If the resignation stands as he plans, it will be sad because the situation has no real bearing on the CSM.

No real politician would have been deposed of his Senatorial seat if he made a comment while drunk. To my knowledge, there has been none that was deposed because of this.

So are you now going to wage war on Crime and punishment?

Because this kind of thing happens all the time in there.

I'm sorry if you can't see how a moral nihilist position is compatible with one that invokes social relationships and their interactions as grounds for assessing behaviour. Perhaps further thought is necessary on your part as this position is the natural and logical conclusion of your own run at moral relativism. You see, something doesn't have to be 'morally wrong' to be worthy of criticism and nor do I have to think that something is 'objectively bad' for me to want to prevent such things happening in the future. Social game rules involve an ongoing negotiation amongst the parties involved. Where the Goons have ****** up here is in taking their own communal social game rules and bringing them into the public gaze of the wider community. Given that the Goons explicitly self-identify as a sub-culture and put themselves outside normal societal norms it just bemuses me completely that they react with shock and outrage when they find that, yes indeed the outside world does find their mode of social interaction to be highly offensive.

So, what I'm trying to tell you is my own morals or lack thereof are neither here nor there. I have opinions about what things should and should not happen in a society that I would be happy living in and the Mittani's actions fall into the category of things I would prefer not to happen. However, most of the rest of society will conflate their personal view on that with 'moral wrongdoing' and will, quite reasonably, then go looking for the head of the 'wrongdoer'. And their society is bigger and more influential than your sub-culture. This is just a mirror of the approach the Goon's took to the Wis. He offended your sense of propriety with his mail so he was mocked and publicly pilloried because he was sufficiently weak to be targeted in that way. Mainstream society just has slightly different forms for handling such things and frequently not forms I agree with either.

Finally, I have to say that I will indeed feel genuinely sorry for the RL Alex if this stuff gets picked up by the mainstream press as I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Indeed, I will feel more sorry for him than the player he mocked. However, I will also think he has more personal responsibility for landing himself in that situation and I don't think that these potential unfortunate consequences should be used to argue that he shouldn't have been criticised in the first place.