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My Apology

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David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1241 - 2012-03-27 08:11:09 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:

But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.


If you can't even be bothered to read the posts you're replying to it would seem you would qualify as being too disinterested to have a valid opinion on the matters contained in them. Please see your way out and take your content-less opinions with you.
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1242 - 2012-03-27 08:11:28 UTC
I too would vote for him again if there was another election.

Only because he still represents my interests as a player of eve-online.

The fact that he got drunk and made an inappropriate comment does not change this.
Amity Lane
Lane Family Shell Corp
#1243 - 2012-03-27 08:11:59 UTC
Gossamer DT wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
Andski wrote:
(snip)
just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf
(snip)

Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this.


well it's the only way we can defend such actions. I mean really..or it could be tinfoil hat time, or possible, wait for it, the trurth behind such delayed reactions to the Alliance panel 3 days ago.

Occam's Razor would suggest otherwise. Is all this outcry a massive conspiracy of revenge against a game nerf, or is it actually because of the outrageous event they say it is?

The simplest answer tends to be the correct one.

Quote:
hey are you a spy? I am just wondering, becase you seem to be hiding your real main and I can't figure out why.

This is my main. I keep telling people this, but they refuse to believe that a new player could be this informed about the game...as if reading, listening to some E-UNI lectures, and watching the FanFest stream is hard. I'm done trying to convince people otherwise.

Besides, I lack the lying skill necessary to be a convincing spy and I don't really have the desire to be that kind of a player. I'm more of a "carebear", I think you guys call it.
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1244 - 2012-03-27 08:12:46 UTC
DaiTengu wrote:
Mokanor Lenak wrote:
What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.


Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter

It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****.


Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.

Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted.
Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.


You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo!

Quote:
CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.


I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home.


Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too.

I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"





Being drunk does not make you a bad person, but how you act does. Being the "villain" in-game is a reflection of your own personality which you hide in real life with friends but in fantasy you wish to be. If you enjoy being the villain in a fantasy game, there is a reason for that in your own true self.
Personally I'm playing a decent person in-game, in the same way I'm trying to be out-game.

Also mr. mittens didn't say that in-game, which is why your whole argument falls apart.
He said it on stage, in front of people and youtube, clearly stating "go make this guy kill himself".
Not in-game, not under "the mittens" persona. Him, himself, in real life.


And also: Deserve something and actually telling people to maker person X to kill himself, are two different things.
And its not like he said "kill bad people because they are bad people". He actually said to abuse someone enough to push him over the edge.
See the difference?
orphenshadow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1245 - 2012-03-27 08:13:16 UTC
Selene Theron wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Selene Theron wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Spectre80 wrote:
actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.

I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).

There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.


If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo.


I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials.


Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff?
I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying.

I didnt say there was only one. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac.



No, you said that there was only one logical option. Insinuating that you are an expert and that the only logical option is the option you feel is best.
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1246 - 2012-03-27 08:13:54 UTC
Selene Theron wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Selene Theron wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Spectre80 wrote:
actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.

I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).

There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.


If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo.


I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials.


Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff?
I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying.

I didnt say there was only one. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac.

Sweet, you "see" only one solution. This would imply that 1) since you only see one option that, for you, only one working solution exists. and 2) that you have some sort of perspective to make that opinion matter to the point that your solution would resolve the "PR Crisis."

So, yes, you would appear to be claiming a level of expertise on the matter. If not then your "opinions" are without weight. Weighing in on topics based on your own ignorance is just stupid speculation and based solely on your own biases.
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1247 - 2012-03-27 08:14:50 UTC
Selene Theron wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Selene Theron wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Spectre80 wrote:
actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.

I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).

There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.


If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo.


I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials.


Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff?
I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying.

I didnt say there was only one. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac.


Yep I saw only one option too. I wouldn't have sent the dude 10 b isk though, that was just dumb. He did apologize though so I'm satisfied. I suppose there will be those out there who aren't satisfied for a variety of reasons. Some just don't like him, they won't be satisfied until they've milked this of every bit of political go juice they can.

Some are really just mad as hell that in a game where people scam and ruin each others gameplay as an advertised matter of the sandbox, somebody can just send an overly emotional letter like that threatening out of game repercussions (suicide) over in game actions and do this with impunity. I think CCP really needs to consider BANNING THE PERSON WHO SENT HIM THIS LETTER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1248 - 2012-03-27 08:15:23 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:

Sorry, I'd missed this one in the forum scroll. Anyway...

TL;DR.

But seriously, it wasn't just me. Even some of your own people thought he was going to be stepping down from his CSM position...to the point where his old lady had to explain otherwise:

snip

But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.

please don't bring attention to mittani's family for your own purposes
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1249 - 2012-03-27 08:16:22 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
Gossamer DT wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
Andski wrote:
(snip)
just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf
(snip)

Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this.


well it's the only way we can defend such actions. I mean really..or it could be tinfoil hat time, or possible, wait for it, the trurth behind such delayed reactions to the Alliance panel 3 days ago.

Occam's Razor would suggest otherwise. Is all this outcry a massive conspiracy of revenge against a game nerf, or is it actually because of the outrageous event they say it is?



You do realize that Occam's Razor has such a stupidly large decision matrix so as to make it a poor basis for any sort of concrete decisionmaking right?
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1250 - 2012-03-27 08:16:23 UTC
Vile rat wrote:


Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.





Then why is it such an issue.... Surely all you CSM guys can have a laugh about it on skype whilst he steps down from his "imaginary position"........
Fenris Deka
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1251 - 2012-03-27 08:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenris Deka
People calling him to step down from something that had absolutely no relevance in what was said or the location of where it was said. It was said on an informal panel. If this was said while he was conducting business as CSM chair during a CSM meeting, then yeah he should be stepping down. Ya know what? This wasn't a CSM meeting.

You people calling him to step down are all people who are butt hurt that 10k people wanted him as the csm, and you can't believe that any one person could get so many votes, so you call for his head from a situation that had nothing to do with the csm. Face it, you suck at Eve politik, and can't take it, so you are heart attacking all over the place because of it.

It's actually funny how the society of pubs in this game react like this, it just shows why none of you would even be considered to be in the CFC, and shows that the CFC are way more mature about it than you all are, who you yourselves perceive to be the Virgin Mary who could do no wrong.

Face it, this boils down to petty jealously over a man who has the same ideals about the game as 10k other people do. How petty.
Josef Djugashvilis
#1252 - 2012-03-27 08:17:42 UTC
Algia Knightstorm wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
In his hour of need, what would really help mittens would be if his idiot goon supporters laid off the spiteful posts.



What hour of need? This is not some bullshit crisis. Mittens didn't **** or murder anyone. No one's lost any life, limb or eyesight, no one's lost any money. A few pubbies got butthurt over something that The Mittani said. They took the words of someone they didn't like and used it to fuel a fire that had no right being stoked in the first place. Mittens apologized for a casual offhand remark, the remark's recipient had no knowledge and give no ***** about it. No harm, no foul, move along, go back to bitching about the Titan nerf and how non consensual PvP doesn't belong in high sec.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0



Titan nerf, what do I care?

Of course non-consensual pvp should always be a part of hisec.

I have never said otherwise.

However, you do help illustrate my point about spiteful idiots posting.

This is not a signature.

Amity Lane
Lane Family Shell Corp
#1253 - 2012-03-27 08:18:47 UTC
Berke Negri wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:

Sorry, I'd missed this one in the forum scroll. Anyway...

TL;DR.

But seriously, it wasn't just me. Even some of your own people thought he was going to be stepping down from his CSM position...to the point where his old lady had to explain otherwise:

snip

But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.

please don't bring attention to mittani's family for your own purposes

I brought nothing that wasn't publicly available. I was not the first on this board to link to that thread, which is how I found it in the first place.

Out of respect towards your request, The Mittani and his family, I will refrain from doing so again in the future.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1254 - 2012-03-27 08:19:26 UTC
Yesterday his followers were like "he did nothing wrong" with a smattering of "my ceo" and "10058" ... today they are "we love you" and "apology accepted my chairman".

Will you drink the koolaid when he starts handing it out? Looks like it.
This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.  Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1255 - 2012-03-27 08:20:37 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


However, you do help illustrate my point about spiteful idiots posting.


It would seem to me that the glassy domicile you inhabit is ill-suited for the sort of stone throwing you seem so interested in.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1256 - 2012-03-27 08:22:11 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!


So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.


So one cancels the other out ehh?
David Cedarbridge
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1257 - 2012-03-27 08:22:12 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Yesterday his followers were like "he did nothing wrong" with a smattering of "my ceo" and "10058" ... today they are "we love you" and "apology accepted my chairman".

Will you drink the koolaid when he starts handing it out? Looks like it.


And yet here you are, drinking a totally different flavor and chasing the mob. Pot. kettle.
Algia Knightstorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1258 - 2012-03-27 08:22:48 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


However, you do help illustrate my point about spiteful idiots posting.


It would seem to me that the glassy domicile you inhabit is ill-suited for the sort of stone throwing you seem so interested in.


You sir are one classy ************.
Selene Theron
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1259 - 2012-03-27 08:23:28 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Sweet, you "see" only one solution. This would imply that 1) since you only see one option that, for you, only one working solution exists. and 2) that you have some sort of perspective to make that opinion matter to the point that your solution would resolve the "PR Crisis."

So, yes, you would appear to be claiming a level of expertise on the matter. If not then your "opinions" are without weight. Weighing in on topics based on your own ignorance is just stupid speculation and based solely on your own biases.


Hey its a public forum. Just giving my opinion on the matter.
Im not here to tell CCP what they should do, theyre perfectly capable of dealing with this im sure.

Josef Djugashvilis
#1260 - 2012-03-27 08:23:32 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


However, you do help illustrate my point about spiteful idiots posting.


It would seem to me that the glassy domicile you inhabit is ill-suited for the sort of stone throwing you seem so interested in.



If you wish to support mittens, stop posting.

Or, think first then post.

This is not a signature.