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Acwron
Meet The Fockers
#1021 - 2012-03-27 05:55:33 UTC
Scumbag in game, scumbag in real life.

CCP still loves you tho.

Resign and GTFO.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1022 - 2012-03-27 05:55:48 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Shere wrote:
This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on


Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent.

Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game.



Cool, does that mean we will be flying cotton balls next year?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Xyla Vulchanus
Players vs. EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#1023 - 2012-03-27 05:55:55 UTC

Why does anyone really give a crap about this? It was just a tasteless joke. Get over it peoples.

Mittani for CSM 8!
Xutech
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1024 - 2012-03-27 05:56:40 UTC
The EVE convention gives people a limited amount of time to meet everyone they know, socialize and discuss topics.

Is it hardly surprising that a convention that features alcohol would contribute to people acting unwisely?

The fact is that the Mittani was inebriated at the point where he made his speech in front of hundreds of people.

Is it hardly surprising that he may have spoken some unwise words, given a little too much information away?

Given that the EVE convention has, in the past, featured short movies of devs flying spaceships made out of beer bottles,

is it surprising that anyone attending not be in full control of their faculties?

He has made an apology, he has been embarrassed. That is a healthy situation. One where a person has made a mistake and can recognize it. Anyone in a leadership position, in the spotlight, day after day, will make mistakes. We cannot remove a leader every time they make a mistake, we would have no-one left to lead.

The Mittani got a huge number of votes, he does his job well, he does hold CCP to account.

I would like to see him tone down the drinking, or leave it till the end of the convention.

I think that is a fair request that we can make.

Asking him to resign is not a reasonable request given his year round work.

Xutech of the KUGU community.
HazardsSoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1025 - 2012-03-27 05:57:45 UTC
Acwron wrote:
Scumbag in game, scumbag in real life.

CCP still loves you tho.

Resign and GTFO.



Wow, the nails have realy come out now huh?
Lolmer
Merciless Reckoning
#1026 - 2012-03-27 05:57:49 UTC
Comtezza wrote:
Please tell me others have looked at the voting list and realized that if BOTH Darius and Mittens left . . . who would now be number 14

Shocked


He'd be better than Darius III, that's for sure, though I still wouldn't want riverini on the CSM.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1027 - 2012-03-27 05:57:53 UTC
Shandir wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Shere wrote:
This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on


Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent.

Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game.


This, so much this.

There's a line, and it should not be crossed.



And so it goes... Ten people out of 300000 are "offended" for someone they don't even know or have never even met, yet they want to dictate the rules to the rest of the majority of people who either do not care or do not agree.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1028 - 2012-03-27 05:58:13 UTC
Shere wrote:
This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on


It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong.

Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place Roll
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#1029 - 2012-03-27 05:58:22 UTC
Jonatan Reed wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.

Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.

As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now.


There are no laws that can do anything against CCP.


This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.

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Kjel Keikira
Perkone
Caldari State
#1030 - 2012-03-27 05:59:00 UTC
An apology was made. A nice gesture made in the form of ISK. This is what anyone would, and should do

Sometimes though, an apology does not cut it. Heart felt or not... I guess we will never know.. Mainly due to the rod this guy has made for his own back over the past years acting the way he does and projecting the persona he has. Be it in forums, in game or even on camera. Arrogant, Self indulged, Egotistical, Cruel and Immature. Bearing that in mind, it is purely understandable why people in this forum are dubious as to the sincerity of the "Apology"

Plainly put, he has made mistake, Him and no-one else. Such a grave mistake in fact, that the only logical and just response, is to resign from the CSM entirely with immediate effect.

By choosing to stay he shows no respect or consideration for CCP themselves or indeed this community. If such a choice were made i could only surmise that it would undoubtedly force CCP's hand in the matter and the termination of his role be enforced.

You're a big boy now Mittens, Time to put on those big boy pants and do what a man's gotta do....

Farewell o/
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1031 - 2012-03-27 05:59:06 UTC
Acwron wrote:
I AM VERY ANGRY ABOUT MY TITAN


lol loser

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1032 - 2012-03-27 05:59:07 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
Shandir wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Shere wrote:
This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on


Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent.

Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game.


This, so much this.

There's a line, and it should not be crossed.



And so it goes... Ten people out of 300000 are "offended" for someone they don't even know or have never even met, yet they want to dictate the rules to the rest of the majority of people who either do not care or do not agree.


Including the alleged "victim". Smile

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1033 - 2012-03-27 05:59:39 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Headerman wrote:


When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.

Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.



Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse.



I didn't think they let you guys have video games...


Enough of us got together and told the government to go and fornicate with ones self. Smile

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1034 - 2012-03-27 05:59:44 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.


problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1035 - 2012-03-27 06:01:17 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Jonatan Reed wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.

Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.

As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now.


There are no laws that can do anything against CCP.


This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.


This may come as a shock, but there was no attempted suicide... and by his own admission no victim.

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de4deye
Terra Nova Innovations
Sedition.
#1036 - 2012-03-27 06:01:36 UTC
It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->
Algia Knightstorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1037 - 2012-03-27 06:02:20 UTC
Lolmer wrote:
Comtezza wrote:
Please tell me others have looked at the voting list and realized that if BOTH Darius and Mittens left . . . who would now be number 14

Shocked


He'd be better than Darius III, that's for sure, though I still wouldn't want riverini on the CSM.


Are you saying you're not a fan of panty dropping?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1038 - 2012-03-27 06:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
de4deye wrote:
It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->


What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't get themselves killed.
Algia Knightstorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1039 - 2012-03-27 06:03:33 UTC
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Shere wrote:
This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on


It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong.

Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place Roll





It's funny how he got more votes than he has people in the entirety of the GSF alliance.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1040 - 2012-03-27 06:03:58 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Headerman wrote:


When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.

Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.



Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse.



I didn't think they let you guys have video games...


Enough of us got together and told the government to go and fornicate with ones self. Smile


Well hell yes. good for you guys Pirate

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.