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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1001 - 2012-03-27 05:41:18 UTC
Though there was a victim in the incident. It was not about just him.

Its about everyone and every player that will come later. Advocating a lynch mod to hound and harass someone from the bully pulpit of fan fast by a CSM chair to the point of death can not be tolerated no matter whom they are.

If he was a man he The mittani would have already stepped down from the CSM in totality.

Its about the players that will come later, and the other players we will interact with on dust etc. You cant grow a game with the reputation that some jack ass can order a bunch of people to harass them to the point of suicide.

CCP and SONY (dust) both know this. If they don't act there is going to a big door open to lawsuits if anyone playing this game hurts themselves over what someone does to them in this game.

Worse was that he didnt do this in game, he did it IRL at fanfest.

Basically the line was reached and crossed on how far you can go with grieving others in eve. And an example needs to be made. Especially that no matter whom you are you are not above the law with regards to EULA especially.

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de4deye
Terra Nova Innovations
Sedition.
#1002 - 2012-03-27 05:41:36 UTC
Sverige Pahis wrote:
I'm a cop

So how long do you think it will take for mittens to resign?
Frying Doom
#1003 - 2012-03-27 05:44:40 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
Wait...so now GoonSwarm are the victims?

This reminds me of when Harry Whittington apologized to **** Cheney after being shot in the face by him.

Actually I do feel sorry for The Mittani he got drunk, said something stupid. Now will loose the CSM seat if CCP isn't still hung over. Posssibly more if they are still drunk.

Frankly I think they should also make a funnier punishment for the Goonswarm people for standing up for this kind of rubbish. Force an Alliance name change on them for punishment for their German WWII insignia. Call them the Pink Fluffy Bunnies. lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1004 - 2012-03-27 05:45:37 UTC
And this is why we live in a world where there's f*cking warning labels on everything. Everyone is scared to death
of being sued by some jack*ss that wants to get rich by pretending to be a "victim" of something.

Always these ridiculous threats of lawsuits. Does anyone that's even halfway sane like this?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Stuntane
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1005 - 2012-03-27 05:46:38 UTC
He should resign and if not, be forcefully shown the door. This is unacceptable. I hope CCP has the foresight to see this is their opportunity to reset the standard and show the playerbase this **** is not on. It's also not just one man's juvenile actions but a culmination of the wider Eve culture's degradation that we've come to this point. I mean, again, that Alliance Panel - what the **** CCP. Reel your audience in, you're embarrassing yourselves and the rest of us.
Jonatan Reed
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#1006 - 2012-03-27 05:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonatan Reed
Princess Bride wrote:
The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.

Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.

As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now.


The griefing and trolling are part of the game, and CCP discloses in the EULA that it is. The minute you start playing this game, you agree to all sorts of griefing and general asshattery. Deal with it. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. I always find the ESRB sticker saying 'online interactions are not rated' as slightly humorous especially when applied to this whole scenario.

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1007 - 2012-03-27 05:49:07 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
And this is why we live in a world where there's f*cking warning labels on everything. Everyone is scared to death
of being sued by some jack*ss that wants to get rich by pretending to be a "victim" of something.

Always these ridiculous threats of lawsuits. Does anyone that's even halfway sane like this?


When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.

Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.

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HazardsSoul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1008 - 2012-03-27 05:49:36 UTC  |  Edited by: HazardsSoul
Frying Doom wrote:


Frankly I think they should also make a funnier punishment for the Goonswarm people for standing up for this kind of rubbish. Force an Alliance name change on them for punishment for their German WWII insignia. Call them the Pink Fluffy Bunnies. lol



I thought that was a rather amusing pos myself dear sir.
Realy brought our the WWII sentiments out in eve. o7
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1009 - 2012-03-27 05:49:44 UTC
Jonatan Reed wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.

Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.

As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now.


The grieving and trolling are part of the game, and CCP discloses in the EULA that it is. The minute you start playing on this game, you agree to all sorts of briefing and general asshattery. Deal with it. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. I always find the ESRB sticker saying 'online interactions are not rated' as slightly humorous when applied to this whole scenario.



Thats in game. Mittani doing what he did at fanfest was not In game.

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Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1010 - 2012-03-27 05:50:23 UTC
Shogun Archer wrote:
And this is why we live in a world where there's f*cking warning labels on everything. Everyone is scared to death
of being sued by some jack*ss that wants to get rich by pretending to be a "victim" of something.

Always these ridiculous threats of lawsuits. Does anyone that's even halfway sane like this?


Dude. We playing EVE online. Everybody is batshit crazy....
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#1011 - 2012-03-27 05:50:39 UTC
I'm waiting for the secret eve mail that show CCP forced him to do this for Titans
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1012 - 2012-03-27 05:50:43 UTC
Headerman wrote:


When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.

Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.



Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse.
Powers Sa
#1013 - 2012-03-27 05:50:47 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.

Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.

As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now.

The guy is still alive. He doesn't even remember the event per evidenced by the chatlogs that have been posted.


What are you talking about internet, not even wannabe lawyer.

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Romar Agent
Doomheim
#1014 - 2012-03-27 05:51:05 UTC
I tip my hat to Mr. Gianturco.

Now I'm interested in what the Mittani and the rest of the CSM have in store for this year...
Taiwanistan
#1015 - 2012-03-27 05:51:23 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

Show me that quote and Ill biomass. Otherwise HTFU and GTFO.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46031&p=1
actually, don't biomass, i don't want to be responsible for your own mental instability


Why would I biomass? You were wrong on top of being wrong. It's pretty laughable.

just seems like youse a bitche from the bitchery bitchin about griefing

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Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#1016 - 2012-03-27 05:52:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Shandir
Jonatan Reed wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.

Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.

As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now.


The grieving and trolling are part of the game, and CCP discloses in the EULA that it is. The minute you start playing on this game, you agree to all sorts of briefing and general asshattery. Deal with it. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. I always find the ESRB sticker saying 'online interactions are not rated' as slightly humorous when applied to this whole scenario.


Except that that's b*llocks, 'griefing' is defined, is against the rules, and is clearly what happened here.
Most players who called for this extreme level of griefing (calling for a several thousand player harassment attack on an already 'distressed' player) would find themselves outright banned. And I'm having a hard time seeing why Mittens should get special treatment. I also think that anyone who followed Mitten's request and EVEmailed or otherwise harassed this player should given the exact same punishments.

Edit: I'm really trying hard to have patience and wait for CCP's verdict and the opinion of the other CSMs. I don't think it's very helpful to call for his head at this point. But the Goon trolling keeps reminding me that he's the one who wants to be seen as the biggest douchebag in EVE Online. And EVE Online could live with a few less of those.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1017 - 2012-03-27 05:52:57 UTC
stuntane wrote:
He should resign and if not, be forcefully shown the door. This is unacceptable. I hope CCP has the foresight to see this is their opportunity to reset the standard and show the playerbase this **** is not on. It's also not just one man's juvenile actions but a culmination of the wider Eve culture's degradation that we've come to this point. I mean, again, that Alliance Panel - what the **** CCP. Reel your audience in, you're embarrassing yourselves and the rest of us.


He is in the process of resigning his chair, if he can get anyone to accept it under these circumstances.

I will agree with you on one point, I don't really see much point to the Alliance Panel... at least not how it is currently being handled. Now if it was a good natured question and answer period for alliance leaders, or a venue for alliances leaders to have a direct public dialogue with CCP devs, it would have a point.

Drunken alliance histories and war stories... not so much.

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Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1018 - 2012-03-27 05:53:23 UTC
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Headerman wrote:


When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.

Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.



Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse.



I didn't think they let you guys have video games...

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#1019 - 2012-03-27 05:53:47 UTC
Shere wrote:
This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on


Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent.

Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game.

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Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#1020 - 2012-03-27 05:54:50 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Shere wrote:
This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on


Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent.

Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game.


This, so much this.

There's a line, and it should not be crossed.