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CatreX Nolen
Doomheim
#941 - 2012-03-27 05:07:05 UTC
Nice.
Jonatan Reed
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#942 - 2012-03-27 05:07:27 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:

Probably tomorrow when he logs in.


But banned chars can't log in...


My god, THEY ARE LEARNING Shocked

ELITE PVP, WHADDUP
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#943 - 2012-03-27 05:08:04 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.

From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.


This can not be quoted enough.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#944 - 2012-03-27 05:08:50 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:

You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.


Nah. We'd countertroll.

Also it should be noted that molle did tell us to go die in video format during the Bob BBQ.

But that's a bit of a weak equivalence. I'm willing to bet you can find more than one threat or bits of reveling in real life harms and death that have occurred to various goons if you dug into the forums a bit.
Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#945 - 2012-03-27 05:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Voith
Marlona Sky wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:
Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course.


As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year.

You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.

You suck at history.

People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life.

****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons.

Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received.


Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#946 - 2012-03-27 05:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
haysis wrote:
Touche sir, touche


Really though, there's not much here for anyone media-wise to run with. Mainstream media isn't going to give a toss since The Wis is an adult, and a story about an adult being bullied wouldn't go beyond the comedy phases. Gaming media COULD be more specific I guess, but The Wis' overall indifference to the whole thing (and Mittens' apology both to him and in public) makes it dead before it got started, since once The Wis is gone, you've really got nothing beyond either blurfing about how Eve is a mean game (in other news, the sky is blue) or trying to take the words of players with agendas as transparent as can be (in other words, Eve political stuff).

The only thing major that CCP is going to change about this will be a lot of procedural stuff for the next fanfests (more in-depth presentation vetting, reserving the right to not let someone present if they're too drunk/high/whatever). If Mittens leaves either the CSM or just the Chair, it'll be his own doing and nobody else's.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#947 - 2012-03-27 05:10:01 UTC
Jonatan Reed wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:

Probably tomorrow when he logs in.


But banned chars can't log in...


My god, THEY ARE LEARNING Shocked


Changing my vote to ban Mittens. I'm too lazy to put my crap in a carrier and jump it to lowsec.
Princess Nana
Doomheim
#948 - 2012-03-27 05:11:08 UTC
CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.
Borial Vokan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#949 - 2012-03-27 05:11:18 UTC
Nice appology; Still kill jita though, that place is the biggest hive of scum and villany.
Orkasm
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#950 - 2012-03-27 05:11:28 UTC
DEAR LEADER

Dont you dare resign.
Havecandy Getinvan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#951 - 2012-03-27 05:12:26 UTC
de4deye wrote:
Due to the very large amount of people trying to distract from the main point of this thread, I would like to restate what I had earlier posted:

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No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation.

This sick and sadistic attitude of Mittani's is hopefully not just his "roleplaying as a bad guy" ideals coming out in real life. If this would be the case, it would imply that he is in a deep state of psychosis and is unfit to be a public figure to stress the opinions of multitudes of people. I certainly do not condone this behavior as acceptable. As said before, "The real you comes out when you are drunk".
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There is no damage control for this.




I love how almost all of the "Get rid of Mittens" posts are by either NPC alts or NC. guys (Grats on losing those 3 titans), Darius III (Ever going to be better than last place?), etc.

Carrion feeders.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#952 - 2012-03-27 05:12:27 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.

From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.


This can not be quoted enough.


No one is saying him mocking The Wis for freaking out was in the wrong.

Him hinting at further, open harassment was.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#953 - 2012-03-27 05:13:06 UTC
Xython wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.

From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.


This can not be quoted enough.


No one is saying him mocking The Wis for freaking out was in the wrong.

Him hinting at further, open harassment was.



Yeah the slide was fine.
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#954 - 2012-03-27 05:13:47 UTC
Sorry Mittani, but as Chair CSM this is too much. As head of Goonswarm I don't give a crap what you do, but when you represent the player base like this, it's time for you to move on.

Having yourself voted as chair because you have the largest alliance in the game shouldn't be considered any type of acheivement and maybe if your being Alex Gianturco for once, you should think about whether you are the right person to lead the CSM, when you are essentially elected via brute force......
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#955 - 2012-03-27 05:14:05 UTC
Princess Nana wrote:
CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.


I hope we reach the point where "Cyber Bully" becomes one of those terms we are embarrassed about in a couple of years.
Havecandy Getinvan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#956 - 2012-03-27 05:14:42 UTC
Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation.
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
#957 - 2012-03-27 05:15:14 UTC
Voith wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:
Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course.


As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year.

You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.

You suck at history.

People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life.

****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons.

Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received.


Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php

The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.
haysis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#958 - 2012-03-27 05:16:35 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
haysis wrote:
Touche sir, touche


Really though, there's not much here for anyone media-wise to run with. Mainstream media isn't going to give a toss since The Wis is an adult, and a story about an adult being bullied wouldn't go beyond the comedy phases. Gaming media COULD be more specific I guess, but The Wis' overall indifference to the whole thing (and Mittens' apology both to him and in public) makes it dead before it got started, since once The Wis is gone, you've really got nothing beyond either blurfing about how Eve is a mean game (in other news, the sky is blue) or trying to take the words of players with agendas as transparent as can be (in other words, Eve political stuff).

The only thing major that CCP is going to change about this will be a lot of procedural stuff for the next fanfests (more in-depth presentation vetting, reserving the right to not let someone present if they're too drunk/high/whatever). If Mittens leaves either the CSM or just the Chair, it'll be his own doing and nobody else's.



I agree with you, I mean I think this whole thing is wayyy over the top my self. And everyone knows the media will turn a stream into a flood at the drop of the hat.

I was just saying, I don't think Eve needs more bad PR then it already has. I guess, what I'm trying to say is. Better safe then sorry?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#959 - 2012-03-27 05:16:36 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.


I hope we reach the point where "Cyber Bully" becomes one of those terms we are embarrassed about in a couple of years.


It already is when used describing events concerning an adult with no verifiable mental or emotional issues.

It just takes a while for some people to realize it.

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Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#960 - 2012-03-27 05:16:46 UTC
Well gents, it was nice arguing with you all.

*Plays as the Ti -err- Forumnaught goes down.*

Cry

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?