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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#821 - 2012-03-27 04:24:30 UTC
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:
Dalketh wrote:
Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic?


No, it's not a get out of jail free card.

However, the fact that he has publically apologized for being a shitheel, gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet, and now will discuss what should happen with the CSM and CCP IS.

Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.


So it's a "get of jail for 10.7 billion ISK" card?

Kudos to The Mittani for giving him 10.7 billion ISK. But wait, was that The Mittani who gave him the ISK or Alex? Because he said in his apology:

Quote:
[T]he Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game...


So if the 10 bill wasn't part of an apology, was it hush money?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#822 - 2012-03-27 04:24:31 UTC
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:
Dalketh wrote:
Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic?


No, it's not a get out of jail free card.

However, the fact that he has publically apologized for being a shitheel, gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet, and now will discuss what should happen with the CSM and CCP IS.

Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.


This is too reasonable for me. You need to call someone a pubbie shitheel or we're revoking your Griefer A1 status that allows you to buy off pubbies from the 10billion isk So Sorry wallet.

OH NO IS THIS AN OPEN FORUM?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#823 - 2012-03-27 04:24:48 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
he is a lawyer paralegal after all.


Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime.


i too can make things up

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#824 - 2012-03-27 04:25:02 UTC
Xython wrote:


Oh wait, it's Mittani, so literally anything he does is "TEH WORST THING EVER." Stupid pubbie sheep.



Well, um, YEAH, that's sort of how politics works broh... you become a "representative of the community" and then you stand up and pull some sh-t like that.

I mean duh.

You can quit the propaganda any time. It doesn't work on me.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#825 - 2012-03-27 04:25:09 UTC
Xython wrote:
I think we need to get a grip. All he did was make a tasteless joke. You assholes act like he pulled out a kitten and performed a live vivisection or something.


Well, he is openly a sadist, so should we take the chance it might come to that?

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Jonatan Reed
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#826 - 2012-03-27 04:26:27 UTC
de4deye wrote:
No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation.


Just going to leave that there.

> his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation.

ELITE PVP, WHADDUP
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#827 - 2012-03-27 04:26:29 UTC
Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.

Enjoy your soon to be ban.
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#828 - 2012-03-27 04:26:41 UTC
de4deye wrote:
this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other


The Mittani wrote:
There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.


I'm starting to seriously question if anybody's reading the actual apology.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#829 - 2012-03-27 04:26:42 UTC
Dalketh wrote:

Wow lost all my respect with that one Liang - so do anything say anything but if you apologize all is fine? Can't believe you said something like that. It's the opposite of what I thought of you. :/


I'm sorry that you feel that way. The simple fact of the matter is that The Mittani is a positive influence for the game and him stepping down from the CSM would be to everyone's detriment. Furthermore, if the person in question is willing to let it go why aren't you?

Do you have all the facts? If not, read my blog - I tried to present all relevant facts across the entire story. http://liangnuren.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/the-mittani-hero/

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#830 - 2012-03-27 04:26:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
he is a lawyer paralegal after all.


Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime.


i too can make things up


Hee hee they call me mister footlong.
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#831 - 2012-03-27 04:27:32 UTC  |  Edited by: JTK Fotheringham
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:


Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.


I think not. This isn't a lot of indignation about Mittens being a drunken fool. We already knew that, or at least suspected it.

This is about the chair of our CSM - the guy who is an ambassador for the EVE gaming community - carrying out a cyber-bullying attack at Fanfest, live to camera, and the world's gaming media. It's a hot issue, and EVE already has a bad rep for it, thanks to Mitten's antics in-game. Getting caught doing the same thing out of game is just a disaster for the game, for CCP, for us the community, and probably for Alex personally.

It's nothing to do with moral indignation. It's all to do with disappointment and bad press.

Stealth edit - All political careers end in failure. Mitten's political career in the CSM looks like it just did.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#832 - 2012-03-27 04:27:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
he is a lawyer paralegal after all.


Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime.


i too can make things up


Last time he was bragging about being a bigshot DC lawyer, he was a paralegal. That was a few years ago though. If he's gotten his degree, I'd like to hear from which school. Proof or gtfo.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#833 - 2012-03-27 04:27:38 UTC
lol I can't help but laugh at all the people making excuses for Mitanni. You all sound like you have battered wife syndrome...

"It was the alcohol, we were all drinking!"

"CCP pushed the freakshow/carnival thing!"

Yeah, if it wasn't for any of that, Mittens would like... magically not be a horrible person.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#834 - 2012-03-27 04:27:40 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.

Enjoy your soon to be ban.


He won't get banned for this.
Wirbin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#835 - 2012-03-27 04:27:44 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Yeah, things like maturity and perspective suck don't they.

Don't worry, eventually you'll get there too.


*fiddles with video game (a child's toy) about pretend space ships*
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#836 - 2012-03-27 04:27:55 UTC
Quote:
gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet.


It costs less than two hundred US dollars to buy 10 billion ISK.

That is not real money.

I find the claim of the Mittani that this amount is meaningful extremely insulting.

"Sure I BLEEPED your girlfriend, but here is a whole two hundred dollars!"

"Wow dude, that's like big money, no problem!"

"Really?"

"No. Not really."
de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#837 - 2012-03-27 04:28:01 UTC
de4deye wrote:
No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation.


It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#838 - 2012-03-27 04:28:12 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:

The Mittani wrote:
*consumes relevant media* ... "ZOMGZ guys, I am so sorry, I didn't realize, I didn't mean to be so flippant, I was drunk and didn't remember.


If you can't see how he's trying to use it as an excuse, you're either 1) ignorant or 2) being willfully ignorant in an attempt to obfuscate and smokescreen.


Quoting to confirm that you didn't read anything that you didn't want to read to feed your agenda.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#839 - 2012-03-27 04:28:42 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
lol I can't help but laugh at all the people making excuses for Mitanni. You all sound like you have battered wife syndrome...

"It was the alcohol, we were all drinking!"

"CCP pushed the freakshow/carnival thing!"

Yeah, if it wasn't for any of that, Mittens would like... magically not be a horrible person.


Battered wife assumes he is hitting me instead of arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for. And all I have to do is show up on ops nothing because peacetime reimbursement is pretty boss.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#840 - 2012-03-27 04:28:48 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.

Enjoy your soon to be ban.


I sense butthurt. Still mad about flight of a hundred zealots?