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Henriette Malia Alette
Doomheim
#561 - 2012-03-27 02:49:31 UTC
1. First off - the nice "cut" that been show with The Wis and another - is pure text.. text, unless shown as a pic - is just text.. its not even The Wis that posted it.. - im landing on the possiblitiy that the entire "post" between those 2 persons, never happened, and was just written to have some "sort of defense" - "look he dont care"..

The picture SHOWING the conversation holds far greater credibility, and shows a person that actually cares.

2. After seeing how goons attacking everyone in the same maner and spirit as theyre leader whom suggested others to drive the miner to suiciding - ridiculing people, - i can only reach the conclusion - "monkey draws monkey's".. theyre behaviour is the exact same as Mittani's own - to the edge of respectless and beyond..

3. The fact that Goons now - as reported in the picture by The Wis are invading his system, sends a clear signal, that while the guy may not have cared in the first place - goonwaffe sure as hell are gonna make sure to drive him to the edge. So answer me this mittani - if you truly do mean youre apologuie, why the hell are youre minions moving in ? - If i really was sorry, my first "order" in youre shoe, was to order everyone to stay the **** away from the victim - youre people do the opposite - somewhat - i again land on a conclusion - whatever official apologuie u have given, is worth nothing, as you behind the scene - making sure that the 10 billion the victim got, soon will have to go to keep buying new ships, as youre "friends" keep ganking him - perhaps - as in youre original statement "to the point where he commits suicide"..

With other words - youre actions Mitanni, and the actions of youre "goons" by posts, and by actions show what you first stated - "i **** on this man, and i will drive him by all means over the edge if i can" - was what you REALLY ment. The post here, heh.. sorry.. -10 for credibility. Try again - this time perhaps tell ure goonwankers to shut the h... up, and try behave as mature people - then again, youre apperantly not one, nor are ure wankers.
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#562 - 2012-03-27 02:50:24 UTC
Yeah right...

First this clown is all smug about it and taunting people in his posts. Then the player reactions/threadnaughts explode on the forums and media sites pick up on the story; and all of a sudden he's finally sorry for his drunken actions?

Everybody careful now, you don't want to step in the bullshit.... Roll


Having this idiot as chair of the CSM is bad for CCP and for the EvE community. I certainly don't want this clown representing us!

Attention
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#563 - 2012-03-27 02:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Krutoj wrote:
I forgot to mention something in my earlier posts.


The reason why we are all posting about this is basically the following:

Carebear got ganked and tried to compel his ganker with a pitiful message that could be true or not true or not entirely true.
The ganker forwarded the message to Mittani that he used later on in his Alliance Panel presentation.
Mittani made some comments about the message, laughing in the essence at how carebear tried to get compassion out of his enemy.

I too get angry and sometimes sad messages from people, sometimes they are just as simple as "I cant afford a new ship". I do send people reimbursement ISK, but I dont send them when they are trying to play on a pity towards mentaly sick. Partly because I know those and the last thing they want is to be treated so. So why are you all trying to do the opposite?

Also, for those of you with "In real life he should be sentenced for this" issues, this is Eve Online, welcome to the SandBox.


Nobody sensible is saying that and for the record I think "the mittani" is entitled to be as much as a prat as he wants to be while playing the game as long as he stays within the eula and tos.

But he doesn't get the right to continue to be a prat while flown to iceland on an expenses paid trip and filmed on stage at fanfest with the eyes of the gaming media on his embarrassingly drunken performance.

When he stands there as CSM chair he is supposed to be representing the player base and acting as an example of good behaviour as an ambassador for the game.

The problem is he got drunk on the moment and the encouraged by a circle-jerk of sycophants to forget he was Alex Gianturkeyo in front of the cameras and got back into character as "the mittani" (ie a giant prat) and did quite a lot of harm to the reputation of CCP and the Eve player base in the eyes of the wider gaming community.

Nobody wants Eve to get a reputation as the place where mean-spirited cyber bullying asshats get to make people's lives a misery using CCP's camera tech at fanfest to practise harrassment!

We should play the game hard in character, in space, we should blow up ships and make people cry in space warfare certainly. But the whole point of fanfest is to step out from behind the gameface and see each other as human beings for a time - not to use the opportunity for bullying and acting like a nasty piece of work - and especially not for the elected player representative of the CSM.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Ertai Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#564 - 2012-03-27 02:50:54 UTC
I think it took a lot of balls to own up to being a drunk *******. Everybody does stupid stuff sometimes, but this Mitani seems to have genuinely felt bad about what he said. I think stepping down is probably a bit much, since the guy he talked bad about is apparently (??) cool and all with him now. He made his restitution.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#565 - 2012-03-27 02:51:39 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:

PS; as a genuine independent eve player I consider his apology and 10.7 bil isk reparations paid more than enough to make up for his mistake


And howmuch did Goonswarm take in from Moongoo per month again?
Makes 10.7 bill look like easy peanuts.

Resign chair and work under someone else as chair. That seems fitting enough for me and wouyld be more of a lesson as how to act in public then he displayed at the Fanfest.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#566 - 2012-03-27 02:51:59 UTC
+1 For OP and everyone who has shown the maturity to accept it.

[URL="https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82348"]UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch[/URL]
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#567 - 2012-03-27 02:52:42 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.

Christ.

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.

I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.


Sir,

This post was exactly the right thing to do.

You again have my support as chairman of CSM 7. I look forward to working with you. I would however understand if you do choose to step down. A lot of folks may not find just the apology enough. Either way, you took the right first step.

Issler Dainze
CSM 7 Member


I think everyone who voted for Mitanni had and has a pretty good idea of who he is in this game and what his alliance does. Did he get drunk and carry it over the line? Sure. And now he has sincerly apologized for it.

Nothing about this situation changes anything about who The Mitanni was before FanFest or will be now. He remains an excellent chairman, elected with a record breaking +10,000 votes, with the experience and savvy the players need to get the best possible results out of the CSM process.

Like a proper adult he took responsibility for his mistake, personally apologized to the player, and has made one of the most heartfelt apologies a person can make to the players as a whole. I suggest we in turn, as a community, also show the maturity to realize everyone makes mistakes; it's how they deal with them that reveals their character. I am willing to accept his apology and move on.

Alexander Gianturco has my full confidence and support to continue as chairman of CSM7.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#568 - 2012-03-27 02:52:53 UTC
If the apolagy was sincere it would have come straight away and not only after the public outcry.

It deffinitely would not have started with you trolling all the posters who disagreed with your behaviour first and then making up some story about you "not realising what exactly you said".

Will forever be remembered as the chairman that disgraced the eve community that voted him into power.
Pudgy McFudge
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#569 - 2012-03-27 02:53:58 UTC
I'm gay.
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#570 - 2012-03-27 02:54:06 UTC
you still need to step down and i will tell you why.

you have created a persona that can easily be the most hated man in the game, and that i perfectly fine because the game lets you be that person.

but then you said something really stupid around around lots of people at an event recorded and broadcasted to thousands of people. all those people that hate you far beyond this game will run with it and in their hate will hurt this game because of it, and nothing you say or do other then you loosing your power will make them happy.

yes this is so much bigger then it should be because you are you and the leader of the goons, but this problem was of your own creation because of all those people you intentional tried to **** off and make mad, and dont bring down this game because of your online persona and the problems you created.

i personally don't care what was said or what was done, but dont let those that are mad at you ruin this environment.

CCP will probably never have the same kind of fan fest every again because of this, they will have to:

1) not let any drinking happen
2) not let any recording
3) both

and that is because of you. not because of what you said, but because they gave you the tools to really make people mad and they will do it just to hurt you.

do us a favour and step down.
Kitfox Mikakka
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#571 - 2012-03-27 02:54:42 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Everyone, in one way or another, pays for their mistakes as well.


And he has. He's issued a public apology to Wis, he's given him more than 10 billion isk, and he's expressed regret that he made a complete ass of himself on live TV. He's said he'll be talking to the CSM and CCP about this, and they'll reach a decision together. That seems like plenty of payment for his mistake, and instead of screaming about how he should be impeached and removed and expelled and banned from the game maybe everyone should just, you know, let the CSM and CCP work it out.
Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#572 - 2012-03-27 02:54:58 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Nobody sensible is saying that and for the record I think "the mittani" is entitled to be as much as a **** as he wants to be while playing the game as long as he stays within the eula and tos.

But he doesn't get the right to continue to be a **** while flown to iceland on an expenses paid trip and filmed on stage at fanfest with the eyes of the gaming media on his embarrassingly drunken performance.

When he stands there as CSM chair he is supposed to be representing the player base and acting as an example of good behaviour as an ambassador for the game.

The problem is he got drunk on the moment and the encouraged by a circle-jerk of sycophants to forget he was Alex Gianturkeyo in front of the cameras and got back into character as "the mittani" (ie a giant ****) and did quite a lot of harm to the reputation of CCP and the Eve player base in the eyes of the wider gaming community.

Nobody wants Eve to get a reputation as the place where mean-spirited cyber bullying asshats get to make people's lives a misery using CCP's camera tech at fanfest to practise harrassment!

We should play the game hard in character, in space, we should blow up ships and make people cry in space warfare certainly. But the whole point of fanfest is to step out from behind the gameface and see each other as human beings for a time - not to use the opportunity to going bullying and acting like a **** - and especially not for the elected player representative of the CSM.



You're not helping him neither CCP at all.... actually cementing reasons for CCP to do something ... really stop ...
Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#573 - 2012-03-27 02:55:09 UTC
way to make EVE-O look bad to the entire gaming community.

the only acceptable option is seppuku.

Got my Dust514 key...
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#574 - 2012-03-27 02:55:18 UTC
Shere wrote:


You can't literally discount the views of a giant portion of the eve playerbase just because they're "you goons". That's also ignoring the fact that it's hardly ONLY goons who think this entire situation is a load of garbage.


You mean the <3% population that goons represent?

Nothing clever at this time.
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#575 - 2012-03-27 02:55:43 UTC
Henriette Malia Alette wrote:
if you truly do mean youre apologuie, why the hell are youre minions moving in ?


1) Cool NPC alt.

2) You are aware that members of GSF are not actually bots but are, in fact, their own individuals capable of thinking for themselves?

You seriously need to think about getting rid of that tin foil, it looks rather silly.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?
Gorongo Frostfyr
#576 - 2012-03-27 02:56:30 UTC
who believes this?
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#577 - 2012-03-27 02:56:31 UTC
Maximille Biagge wrote:
If the apolagy was sincere it would have come straight away and not only after the public outcry.


the greatest factor in Mitten's favour is that most of his detractors can't even speak english
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#578 - 2012-03-27 02:56:51 UTC
Ertai Erquilenne wrote:
I think it took a lot of balls to own up to being a drunk *******. Everybody does stupid stuff sometimes, but this Mitani seems to have genuinely felt bad about what he said. I think stepping down is probably a bit much, since the guy he talked bad about is apparently (??) cool and all with him now. He made his restitution.


Apologising is one thing.

Stepping down from something after such a mistake as this is showing people you are sorry.

Lets hypothesise for a moment. Pretend Alex is the CEO of a business, and the business employees and friends/shareholders all go out for a christmas dinner. Alex gets up and makes a presentation about his hot lil blone PA, and says how much he would like to **** her. While he was drunk.

Do you think an apology would cover that? Typed on the internet? That took a few minutes to write?

Yes, this is a hypothetical situation, and yes there were no lasting effects. Acting like that is unacceptable.

And don't forget this was a presentation, not an off-the-cuff acceptance speech.

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Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#579 - 2012-03-27 02:57:45 UTC
Pudgy McFudge wrote:
I'm gay.


My place or yours?
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#580 - 2012-03-27 02:57:55 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
But what happened at fanfest had nothing to do with "the mittani" the character. It was Alex gianturkeyo ripping on some other player as the leader of Eve's player council in the view of the cameras in a performance that was immediately replayed and analysed by the gaming press.

He did it as himself, the leader of the CSM. And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable.


You're kinda full of **** since it was the alliance panel and nothing to do with the CSM, he was speaking as the leader of Goonswarm, not as the leader of the CSM, there's a huge difference.


Thats wriggling Tyrrax and you are only saying it because you are a desperate goon wannabe at heart (but I forgive you)

When the leader of the CSM gets up on stage and acts like a drunken prat he's doing it as the leader of the CSM - I've been the chair of that organization myself and I know what the position entails and the example one is supposed to set to the community. If I had drunkenly slured out racist abuse on the alliance panel as SF Executor you can bet people wouldn't be standing up and saying "its okay Jade was doing it as an RP anarchist not the chair of the CSM!"

Quote:
PS; as a genuine independent eve player I consider his apology and 10.7 bil isk reparations paid more than enough to make up for his mistake


You are about as independent as a monkey on an organ-grinder's chain.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom