EVE General Discussion

You may have spilt everything so to speak with your great feedback, but there's been other ideas I've heard and all I'm saying is that I don't want people to shy away because of it.

I can absolutely guarantee this as a thread where player opinion will find its way into a policy discussion internally so I want anything we can get.

Absolutely not. Don't assign hangar roles blindly and you won't have corp thieves to deal with.

You have a point, Sreegs, about wanting to turn the player from bad to good, and would this instead make the player quit, which isn't good for any of us, if that player can be turned around.

What do we get out of it, some satisfaction for one, few people like the bots. We get a warm fuzzy "ccp hates bots too" from you guys, because now it is something we can see and "touch", and not some biannual dev blog of cold numbers and pretty graphs. We learn who we don't want to let into our corps and alliances, if they don't care enough about their own account, why they hell would they care about corp?

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As I understand it, there is a three strike policy, 14 day ban, then something more nasty and then bye bye, banned. Perhaps the first instance does not tag one with the red letter, but the second one will. After a year is over or however long is deemed punishment, that letter is removed and the account goes back to only one strike committed, another year with out incident and they go back to zero strikes.

This way the player does get that second chance, CCP keeps a customer and life goes on. Once they're caught a second time they clearly don't care about their reputation and likely won't be turned around but they get one more chance to set things right.

One strike punishment should be enough for most people, if they're going to do it a second time with out the letter, chances are they'd do it with the letter too. But there might be one sliver of people that can be saved from the temptation if they can't be a secret cheat.

Naming and shaming has several upsides to us as players, here's a few:


- it shows us that you're taking this stuff serious, which as PR moves go is a good thing

- it might prevent people who are thinking about botting to actually do it, as a "nah, I didn't have time to play this week" to them sounds far better than "yeah, I'm on that list and got suspended" when talking to corp members

- the person who actually reported that player gets a form of positive confirmation that his efforts are being appreciated, it's kinda like bug reporting; if you get the feeling it's a fairly useless thing to do you just stop reporting as it's wasted effort.

- it may remove or reduce our nregative views on certain entities ("all russians RMT"), then again it may also reinforce them. At any rate we'll have a clearer view of who's doing what, if a large number of members from a certain corp/alliance get caught we then know we shouldn't join them.


While I understand the "all actions towards our customers are on a confidential basis" I'm fairly sure the vast majority of (non-botting) players would agree to a EULA change where it would state "but if you get caught botting or RMTing we'll hang you out to dry and mock you". APB started doing this a while back and it certainly helped would-be cheaters to reconsider.

I'm just quoting this because I don't read the fiction but the idea of player consequences and being true to eve needs to be a factor and I'm just going to namesearch what I quoted later.

Null bots are rare. I've done Null Mining Ops and 10/10 and there is no need to bot them. We could wipe a Plex belt in an hr or do a 10/10 in as much time. Everything is done in fleet out there. it's very efficient.

Didn't the security presentation show that most bots were in hisec?

Proportionally, yes.

Doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of them in 0.0

lol at fanfest they had a chart of bots by region

The Forge alone had more bots then all of nullsec rolled together

who knew that an automated killscript for anyone who attacks you would be prove to be an incentive to botters over lawless nullsec?

let me answer my own question: non-retards

Go to the drone regions before massive civil wars.....