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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#401 - 2012-03-27 01:56:40 UTC
Benilopax wrote:
CCP won't let him remain as chair for certain, the bad press this is generating and with dust coming out this year it would be a nightmare if every press question is "so you support cyber bullying?"


Yes. Bad press. A bunch of MMORPG sites reposting a blog post from someone who is almost definitely in these threads ranting about how the big bad goonies destroyed their Hulk and it took them hours to get the bot script working again.

This is only a scandal in the minds of a bunch of pathetic Cyberstalkers with an axe to grind.
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
#402 - 2012-03-27 01:56:51 UTC
Vxrasa wrote:
What the christ?

I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state.

Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip?


While I wholeheartedly believe we should all support the BDS movement I do not believe that the Mittani should get away with cyber bullying.

I care not what the excuses are, Mittani turned up drunk at fanfest then spouted heaps of disgusting rubbish. As a lawyer he should know that being stupid and drunk are no excuses and in fact it makes this case even more severe because this fool knows the law. Thus him not only overstepping the boundaries but actually attempting to ruin the lives of the dearest and nearest of the person he encourages to take his own life is beyond sickening.

Before anyone else jumps to the defence of this waste of space, remember that he is a lawyer.
Kitfox Mikakka
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#403 - 2012-03-27 01:57:19 UTC
Darius III wrote:
He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.

He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.

~1282~


Darius shut the **** up because you are infinitely more the hypocritical piece of **** power grabbing politician than Mittens is~
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#404 - 2012-03-27 01:57:50 UTC
You goons don't really get that this isn't about the game EvE.


Its about real people.

And real world ramifications.

Its not just about the mittani and whom he tried to lynch mob. Its about anyone else that comes after. Whom might actually be pushed to far.

Mittens went to far and needs to back off and step away from the CSM.

He won, but he then shot his own foot off. He bears the responsibility for his actions.

He sounded like he was on the right path and was going to be a man about it. Now it seems he is backpedaling off of stepping down like he should. At this junction its bad PR for him to be on the CSM for all of EvE at a critical junction for CCP with dust coming out.

His actions ruined what seemed to be a good fanfest as well.

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Florian Bao
Black Box Technologies
#405 - 2012-03-27 01:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Florian Bao
GO WORRY ABOUT REAL LIFE NOT ABOUT VIRTUAL SPACESHIP EMAILS FFS
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#406 - 2012-03-27 01:58:11 UTC
L00B wrote:
Darius III.... even when he tries, he can't format a post properly.


Well, that's because he's in a hurry to try and make this thread about him. I guess he's feeling pretty inadequate after coming last in the election.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#407 - 2012-03-27 01:58:25 UTC
Xython wrote:
Benilopax wrote:
CCP won't let him remain as chair for certain, the bad press this is generating and with dust coming out this year it would be a nightmare if every press question is "so you support cyber bullying?"


Yes. Bad press. A bunch of MMORPG sites reposting a blog post from someone who is almost definitely in these threads ranting about how the big bad goonies destroyed their Hulk and it took them hours to get the bot script working again.

This is only a scandal in the minds of a bunch of pathetic Cyberstalkers with an axe to grind.


Heh, yep. But it'll take a while to wind down, of course.

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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#408 - 2012-03-27 01:58:40 UTC
Pahineh Amelana wrote:
Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.

You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear)
You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest)
Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)

Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?




Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.

Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things.
That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.

If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking.
If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.


The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor.
Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.



Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable
Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable
Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable

Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable.
Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.

It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest.
Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.


+1 Well saying
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#409 - 2012-03-27 01:58:53 UTC
This is smoske all over again, except The Wis is smoske (not dead, obviously) and all you pubbies are BoB, looking for any excuse to get Mittens off the CSM.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
JamesCLK
#410 - 2012-03-27 01:58:56 UTC
Xython wrote:
Benilopax wrote:
CCP won't let him remain as chair for certain, the bad press this is generating and with dust coming out this year it would be a nightmare if every press question is "so you support cyber bullying?"


Yes. Bad press. A bunch of MMORPG sites reposting a blog post from someone who is almost definitely in these threads ranting about how the big bad goonies destroyed their Hulk and it took them hours to get the bot script working again.

This is only a scandal in the minds of a bunch of pathetic Cyberstalkers with an axe to grind.


If we can manage to solve this shitstorm without direct CCP intervention, it's another step in the right direction.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#411 - 2012-03-27 01:58:59 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
You goons don't really get that this isn't about the game EvE.


Its about real people.

And real world ramifications.

Its not just about the mittani and whom he tried to lynch mob. Its about anyone else that comes after. Whom might actually be pushed to far.

Mittens went to far and needs to back off and step away from the CSM.

He won, but he then shot his own foot off. He bears the responsibility for his actions.

He sounded like he was on the right path and was going to be a man about it. Now it seems he is backpedaling off of stepping down like he should. At this junction its bad PR for him to be on the CSM for all of EvE at a critical junction for CCP with dust coming out.

His actions ruined what seemed to be a good fanfest as well.



quiet idiot

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Demarcus
Killjoy.
#412 - 2012-03-27 01:59:22 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Demarcus wrote:
Vxrasa wrote:
What the christ?

I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state.

Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip?


Dude, your an a$$hole.


You're a Killjoy.










Get it?


I didn't pull the name out of a hat ;)
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#413 - 2012-03-27 01:59:26 UTC
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:
Why haven't we heard anyone complaining about the horrible embarrassment suffered by those poor people who had their singing played during the panel? Oh how they must have died.


He didnt try to internet lynch them.

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XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#414 - 2012-03-27 01:59:27 UTC
L00B wrote:
Darius III.... even when he tries, he can't format a post properly.



i still wonder how he made CSM in the first place..
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#415 - 2012-03-27 02:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Super Whopper wrote:
Vxrasa wrote:
What the christ?

I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state.

Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip?


While I wholeheartedly believe we should all support the BDS movement I do not believe that the Mittani should get away with cyber bullying.

I care not what the excuses are, Mittani turned up drunk at fanfest then spouted heaps of disgusting rubbish. As a lawyer he should know that being stupid and drunk are no excuses and in fact it makes this case even more severe because this fool knows the law. Thus him not only overstepping the boundaries but actually attempting to ruin the lives of the dearest and nearest of the person he encourages to take his own life is beyond sickening.

Before anyone else jumps to the defence of this waste of space, remember that he is a lawyer.



He's more than atoned adequately by apologizing and paying 10.7 bil.

also get over yourself, buhu some miner got bullied big deal
and someone drunk at fanfest ? shocking.

PS; he's a former lawyer
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#416 - 2012-03-27 02:00:03 UTC
Darius III wrote:
He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.

He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.

~1282~


I think it's more that he himself doesn't know if he's the "sociopath" Mittani or the "normal" Alex. Split personalities is a very obvious sign of alcoholism and alcohol abuse. I don't know if you've seen the posts talking about how he's an alcoholic with a severe drug abuse problem, but I can assure you that even Mittani doesn't know who he is. Living life in a stupor, drunk all the time and unable to handle alcohol responsibly, such a situation would easily lead him to having a dualist view of who he is.

I think you should forgive him about the bullying he's done to you, and try to contact him and get him to seek some psychological help.

You're right in that he won't resign, and unless CCP is able to step in and get him some help, he quite likely will just continue trying to destroy others in order to salve his own inner issues.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#417 - 2012-03-27 02:00:04 UTC
Darius III wrote:
He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.

He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.

~1282~


Well spoken Darius EYE EYE EYE. You are a master of words, we can only hope your stay on the CSM alternate list is long and fruitful.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#418 - 2012-03-27 02:00:24 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Drinking and driving is an act that in itself is a crime. If no accident occurs and no one is harmed, it is still a crime.


It's a crime because of it's potential to harm people. Is my point. The fact that everyone who drinks and drives doesn't get in an accident makes no difference.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Princess Nana
Doomheim
#419 - 2012-03-27 02:00:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Princess Nana wrote:
If CCP do not act then for their sake I sincerely hope that Sony do not get wind of the fact that an eve community representative has actively encouraged the harassful persuit of a player in game who has exuded mental problems or vulnerabilities without sanction.

I am certain these are not the kind of "gaming ideals" they would encourage as "entertainment" with Eve Online soon to be connected to the Playstation Network.

The Line was Crossed.



I'm most certain Sony is meeting AS WE TYPE.

IF CCP takes no action to their satisfaction, you may as well kiss that uber-cool EVE/DUST Link good-bye.

It matters not what the Goons think, or what the rest of the players think at this point.

This is exactly the type of thing that brings businesses down.

And we only need to look back 10 months to remember JUST HOW FRAGILE CCP REALLY IS.

I'd be real worried about playing EVE on any long term basis depending on how this turns out.

I don't think Sony Entertainment would want to advertise connections with Eve Online Community Figureheads who encourage others to harass those with mental difficulties? I think not Sir. Your sarcasm has no place here. The Line was Crossed.
Rao Kappa
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#420 - 2012-03-27 02:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rao Kappa
I think the kid made a stupid, drunk mistake. He was showing his ass, basking in the glory of CSM 7, and embracing his image as 'king of space.' He ran his mouth, and everything went nuclear in the aftermath.

I don't think there's anyone on this board who hasn't done something completely stupid, maybe even hurtful, and wished he/she could take back the action. No one is perfect, and no one has the right to toss stones.

But, this is real life, and we all know once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put him back in.

I'd like to believe Alex's apology, as I don't know him, and have no reason to believe he's just playing politician. What he did was no more horrible a thing than I've seen other folks do while intoxicated...other perfectly decent, nice, respectable folks who wind up making a dumb error in judgement.

Unfortunately, an apology is not always the sole means of paying your due. I don't think this is a case of it being simply, 'apologize and this will go away.' There are too many other circumstances, too many other issues involved, that have now removed this from a simple incident where an apology would suffice, to a monster fed by public opinion. This has gone corporate, and a more serious show of force will most likely be necessary to appease the masses.

I don't agree with what he said in the panel, or his attitude, but I'm not a hypocrite enough to slam the personal integrity of someone I've never met and call for a crucifiction.

But I don't see him lasting as the CSM chair much longer. Blood is in the water, and the sharks must be fed.

Now it's time to face the consequences.

Good luck, and fly safe.