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OfBalance
Caldari State
#341 - 2012-03-27 01:36:00 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
STAY CALM


MIND THE GAP
Hench Tenet
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#342 - 2012-03-27 01:36:29 UTC
I heard that George Michael is depressed. He has a corp too. Go harass him~ OH GOD WHAT DID I JUST SAY?
Marcus Shamonomonom
Gift of Organs Donation Service
#343 - 2012-03-27 01:37:10 UTC
XavierVE wrote:
trying to be entertaining


You misunderstand.
He has never been entertaining.
Watch some of his previous panels.

Disregard females Aquire currency
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#344 - 2012-03-27 01:37:20 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Xython wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
+1 iff the miner in question is satisfied.

Has anyone notified the various game mags of the apology? Especially the ones in the Euro time zones?




They won't care. A scandal is news, a Mea Culpa isn't.

Yes, but... if CCP/CSM/PlayerBase can spin this as how a mature[1] group of players can resolve a scandal without excessive bloodshed (aka, without the Heavy Hand of Management) then this could be an "advertising" opportunity for Eve. Make lemonade if given lemons (but combustible lemons are better.)

The trick though, as you pointed out, is how to get the news sites to publish the mea cupla. I'm thinking the CCP would need to issue a public statement on the matter of the apology that the new sites would be "obligated" to print. (Meaning, news sites are lazy, if you give them something to print, they will print it.)

It's late, I'm tired. G'night all and good luck CCP.


[1] Relatively speaking. Mature as in, Eve is an MMO that doesn't hold your hand, aka CCP treats its player base as adults and not as a bunch of rambunctious, misbehaving, diaper wearing WoW children.



Bonus points to you sir.

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Mandy Spencer
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#345 - 2012-03-27 01:37:29 UTC
Krutoj wrote:
This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?

In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness.


You are "The Mittani" in EVE, in real life you are "Alex" whatever he is called. What we saw is Alex whatever, part of the CSM representing you and me... If you are ok with such an embarrasement, fine... I dont and I am sure many are with me on that feeling.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#346 - 2012-03-27 01:37:32 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
However, I think it's a bit of a reach to insist that the crime of "Cyber Bullying" has been committed when the victim is completely unaware of it and finds the whole matter a joke.


It's like drinking and driving still being bad even if you don't get in an accident. You can't go around making light of suicidal people like that because it just takes once. And even if you do, you should have the sense not to do it where he did. It reflects poorly on CCP, EVE players, and the CSM.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
JamesCLK
#347 - 2012-03-27 01:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: JamesCLK
Krutoj wrote:
This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?

In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness.


Never stop quoting.

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Lorren Canada
High is the Way - But all eyes are Upon the Ground
#348 - 2012-03-27 01:37:42 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
STAY CALM



AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Pahineh Amelana
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#349 - 2012-03-27 01:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pahineh Amelana
Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.

You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear)
You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest)
Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)

Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?




Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.

Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things.
That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.

If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking.
If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.


The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor.
Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.



Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable
Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable
Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable

Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable.
Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.

It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest.
Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#350 - 2012-03-27 01:39:53 UTC
~Russian White Knight~
Steelshine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#351 - 2012-03-27 01:40:11 UTC
Is it a ren fair or are there just a ton of white knights in this thread?
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#352 - 2012-03-27 01:40:27 UTC
Lolmer wrote:
CCP is not a public company and has no shareholders. It has loans, but no public shares to trade on the market to go up or down from any publicity.


I don't remember what date this was but;

Major Shareholders
At the date of this Prospectus there were 97 shareholders in CCP. The ten largest shareholders owned a total of 97.9% of the Company's issued share capital.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#353 - 2012-03-27 01:41:15 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
STAY CALM


MIND THE GAP


STEER OFF MY BRA!

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#354 - 2012-03-27 01:42:03 UTC
Pahineh Amelana wrote:
Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.

You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear)
You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest)
Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)

Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?




Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.

Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things.
That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.

If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking.
If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.


The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor.
Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.



Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable
Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable
Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable

Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable.
Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.

It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest.
Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.



They keep trying to spin the story away from him stepping down.

He needs to be off the CSM and try again next year.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#355 - 2012-03-27 01:42:27 UTC
Pahineh Amelana wrote:


It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest.
Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.


Did you miss the part where the victim in question is a 30-something year old guy who doesn't remember the incident and doesn't really care? Post with your titan main you gigantic baby, your precious ship is still getting nerfed.
Liam Mirren
#356 - 2012-03-27 01:42:34 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
STAY CALM


MIND THE GAP


STEER OFF MY BRA!


FLBP

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Mcrager
C5 Flight
Fraternity.
#357 - 2012-03-27 01:42:41 UTC
Pahineh Amelana wrote:
Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.

You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear)
You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest)
Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)

Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?




Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.

Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things.
That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.

If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking.
If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.


The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor.
Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.



Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable
Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable
Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable

Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable.
Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.

It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest.
Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.


Someone in Cod told me to kill myself , can i have a threadnaught now?
Kitfox Mikakka
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#358 - 2012-03-27 01:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitfox Mikakka
Every single person in this thread asking for Mittani to step down because they've shamed them and he's not their representative anymore should probably also mention who actually got their votes during the voting period. Because he got 2 from me and I sure don't want to see him resign as either Chairman or a CSM member.

MISSED THE SNIPE a ******* shameful post.
Demarcus
Killjoy.
#359 - 2012-03-27 01:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Demarcus
Let me preface the following by saying that, even in "real life" at the Fan Fest I consider all attendees to be "in character". We love EVE, we are EVE that is why people go.

With that said, no apology is good enough in game or out for what you said. You stepped far over the line.

You need to do the right thing and resign your CMS7 position immediately. Your opinions are obviously not representative of the player base. I have a feeling that resigning the position will save face for you, because with the publicity this is getting CCP might find that doing it themselves is the best option.
GoodSamaritan
Old Bittervets
Deepwater Hooligans
#360 - 2012-03-27 01:43:22 UTC
EVE: the terrible game where terrible people do terrible things.

Maybe they'll rename the next patch EVE: Incontinence.