EVE General Discussion

Yet another milestone in EVE's rich and controversial history.
Climax reached, time will unravel and the following denouement.

Soon baseline once more. Moving on

If you know anything about substance abuse, especially alcohol abuse, you can pretty well see that he's unable to handle alcohol.

- Drank to excess so that he didn't even remember what he said

- So much in denial about his drinking issue that his first response was to tell people to **** off when he saw criticism

- Alcoholic to the point that when he was supposed to do a presentation, the stress and fear he had from trying to be entertaining saw him get drunk to the point of complete verbal sloppiness.

- Obviously he has some deep-seated dark issues to deal with, if consuming alcohol leads his personality to want to try to bully and drive someone to commit suicide.

Even with just a cursory understanding of this person, it's pretty obvious that he needs some serious counseling and substance abuse therapy. A person with these sorts of issues shouldn't be serving on the CSM, representing thousands of players. And since CCP is so loose with providing alcohol, having an abject alcoholic flying to Iceland isn't really a good venue for him to begin with.

First of all, I kind of expected CCP's apologies as well, because in the end they were the hosts and they let the whole alchool bandwagon rolling.

Second, I know this sucks but if you OP are in a public position of representative you should also know when to go all out with the drink but also when to be sober and avoid to embarass yourself and - most of all - your public role.

Third, you should do something cheerful to that guy. I don't know, buy him 10 Macks or something.

And / or - much harder - understand that being lucky and even skillful and resourceful as you are is not a given. Walk in the less fortunate people's shoes for 5 minutes, make so that you'll have learned something constructive off all of this. Expecially if you are not - as you claim - like the avatar you play.

As a community figurehead he should never have put himself in the position he did. Regardless this does not excuse what transpired. I am disgusted and if CCP do not act then clearly it might be suggested that some are granted leverage to operate outwith the terms of the EULA without sanction.

True, hence my comment over the skewed sample base you have to make those assumptions, fact is, all you're saying happens even when ppl aren't drunk, humans can be cruel, hell childs are cruel!!, things is, it's a fact, it's not assumption, science or theory, alcool disinhibits humans, lowers down the ethical/social restrains one has.

Is it only due to this simple fact I have my opinion about this issue ? No, it's about the posture, the post, and the actions.
Does it add to my opinion ? Yes it does, well, it's my opinion and like yours it's not arguable, it's ours the same way all of this biased people keep posting yay or nay in this thread, most of them are biased if not the majority.

Myself on the contrary had actually a good opinion of 'The Mittani' as a CSM and I tried to formulate an opinion about this matter unbiased, unfortunately, it doesn't go well in his favour.

In the end, judging by is apology, I'm confident he'll do what he thinks it's right to do, unless he makes that decision drunk.

Why do I get the feeling you were one of the smart guys who worked hard behind the scenes in CSM6

Stop it !!

- I can't read one page another is already there, also: aren't you finished yet you nerds?

Move on, nothing to see here.


Far too much "cruches de bénitier" around here, and when you take a close look it the worst of their kind that always throw rocks to other people.
For those sharks and disturbed nerds that shouldn't even be aloud to play internet games: look in to the mirror the real one, and if you have some honesty witch I doubt, log again and come back tell us all about your 'social responsibility" or whatever you claim.

Yes, but... if CCP/CSM/PlayerBase can spin this as how a mature[1] group of players can resolve a scandal without excessive bloodshed (aka, without the Heavy Hand of Management) then this could be an "advertising" opportunity for Eve. Make lemonade if given lemons (but combustible lemons are better.)

The trick though, as you pointed out, is how to get the news sites to publish the mea cupla. I'm thinking the CCP would need to issue a public statement on the matter of the apology that the new sites would be "obligated" to print. (Meaning, news sites are lazy, if you give them something to print, they will print it.)

It's late, I'm tired. G'night all and good luck CCP.


[1] Relatively speaking. Mature as in, Eve is an MMO that doesn't hold your hand, aka CCP treats its player base as adults and not as a bunch of rambunctious, misbehaving, diaper wearing WoW children.

I was mildly offended by you bringing that eve-mail in particular. But it lasted for about 2 seconds and I wrote it off as something The Mittani does and laughed just as much as everyone else were doing.

And if indeed being too drunk was the factor, an apology is of course necessary and commendable. Everyone makes mistakes, at least I also don't judge people by theirs.

It's so easy to qq and get offended by things but free speech has to come into it at some point. Bullying might be illegal in some countries but where does that mean for EVE? According to CCP bullying is required, anything goes, I know that going into the game, everyone has to be on the same level or we can turn off all PvP and text in all games right now. Played any XBOX 360 lately?

Apology? Fine, even admirable!

RESIGN? HELL NO!

If every elected official resigned after a mistake we'd have no elected officials.

I don't think it's enough. Take this as a lesson in life and be thankful the guy wasn't that unstable. You've clearly crossed the line between gaming and real life. Had he taken his life an apology would not of kept you from going to jail. Not to mention mainstream media would of of plastered your name everywhere. Not to mention all but ruined CCP's name.

I think the question comes down to will this come back to haunt CCP in the future if they don't do anything. They got a pretty tough choice to make


I don't mind Goonswarm or have anything against them or Alex. I think the Eve universe is would be a little less exciting without them. But as said this was clearly over the line and being drunk is not an acceptable excuse.