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Tengu vs Caldari Navy Raven
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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-26 20:49:47 UTC
Which is better for mission running. My raven is fit with cruise missiles while my tengu has heavy assault missiles. I see alittle more dps in my tengu but less HP. The subs on my tengu are purely offensive. Are defensive subsytems better than offensive and are tengus capable of running incursions if so does anyone have a good fit that doesnt cost an arm and a leg?

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Liam Mirren
#2 - 2012-03-26 20:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
There have been "heated debates" on this subject :P

For lvl 4s, if you ONLY fight Guristas then a tengu is very good (note that you're better off using HML than HAM), a well fitted and flown CNR can keep up with the damage projection even against said Guristas (can't keep up with the speed ofcourse) but once you have to shart shooting NPC's who's weakest resist isn't kinetic then the CNR really pulls ahead and against Amarr based NPC it's not even close.

Apart from that the CNR is also easier to tank outside kin/therm, isn't as expensive, takes less SP to get into, cheaper to fit (it doesn't NEED any faction fetish, then again apart from the shield booster neither does the Tengu) and it's much much less of a gank target. Tengu is faster and less boring, CNR doesn't perma tank though. So if you look at it logically then the CNR "wins" but people like bling and "cool stuff" and will defend using a tengu even if they don't really have a proper reason for it other than "I love bling" and/or are incapable of using logic and game mechanics.

Missile ships are mostly shunned from incursions due to their delayed dps.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-03-26 22:27:12 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
my tengu has heavy assault missiles


Wait, what?

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2012-03-27 00:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
my tengu has heavy assault missiles


Wait, what?

It works, but it takes longer as you are always moving into range, and they don't work as well on frigates.

I tend to prefer a HML Tengu when facing Guristas, as the thing is virtually invulnerable to mission NPC, and being jammed and unable to reduce incoming DPS doesn't mean it will pop. EoM are also kinetic weak.

Raven / Raven Navy Issue is great for all missions, but it requires knowing how to use a shield booster and capacitor booster (or you might as well as be in a Drake).

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Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#5 - 2012-03-27 06:25:16 UTC
The CNR is IMO the most reliable mission ship, while it does less dps than most faction/pirate/t3, it has unmatched damage projection and range and FULLY selectable damage type (trust me, this matters a whole lot). Unless you're declining everything except Guristas missions, the CNR will pull ahead significantly as even in Guristas space you'll get a fair amount of missions from other factions and the timer to deny missions w/o standing loss will mean you'll find yourself locked out of missions often if you try to get only Guristas.

Tengu however is much easier to tank with around 300-500 cap stable tank with a small deadspace SB/2 Hards, which is around the same as my CNR which has none of the speed tanking and bigger sig but it still tanks everything fine, gets dicey in AE bonus room though. Also, if you mess up aggro in Sanshas WC, you WILL lose your CNR.
malaire
#6 - 2012-03-27 07:27:03 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
... CNR doesn't perma tank though ...

My level 4 mission CNR has permatank - with Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster.

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Neesha Marinn
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-03-27 11:06:05 UTC
malaire wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
... CNR doesn't perma tank though ...

My level 4 mission CNR has permatank - with Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster.

Interesting fit that, and it works.

Me myself, i stick to my Tengu.
Yes, some missions are slower, but I have yet to get a mission thats able to make me sweat.
Liam Mirren
#8 - 2012-03-27 11:52:27 UTC
malaire wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
... CNR doesn't perma tank though ...

My level 4 mission CNR has permatank - with Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster.


Does it have 4 BCS and rigor rigs?

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malaire
#9 - 2012-03-27 12:01:53 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
malaire wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
... CNR doesn't perma tank though ...

My level 4 mission CNR has permatank - with Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster.


Does it have 4 BCS and rigor rigs?

Yes, only 2 rigors currently. Idea was to add 3rd later but I switched into trading before I got that far.
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(And I do know that invulnerability field is not optimal, but I wanted lazy setup which works in most level 4's without module swapping - and this does.)

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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-27 12:32:00 UTC
I appreciate all the feed back. I field tested both in a Gurista lvl4 last night and with my skills I found I liked the CNR better. Im sure as my skills increase I will use my more tengu for specific missions but for right now the raven fits me. I liked sniping my taregets from +70k away and found my tank with the approiate boosters and cap recharger mods helped me perma tank the npcs.


I did try the HML with the tengu and your right its better than the HAM and I was able to fit some regular mid lvl mods instead of the expensive faction mods.


So with that in mind how does the tengu stand up in pvp fights and what subs systems would you recomend for a pvp fit?

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#11 - 2012-03-27 12:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
Liam Mirren wrote:


Missile ships are mostly shunned from incursions due to their delayed dps.


Only in shiny fleets blitzing Vanguards. It's not unusual to see up to a quarter of the HQ-fleets consisting of Navy Ravens and Navy Scorpions.

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