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Cloaking should have a manual cycle or be cap intensive
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Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#121 - 2012-03-25 14:44:38 UTC
Yet again, you guys make the assumption that we do not do this. Still no solid concrete information as to why afk cloakers that come active every other or so gets a gank due to someone being an idotand then go back to afk cloaking should be allowed. It's a flawed mechanic.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#122 - 2012-03-25 14:57:20 UTC
Torothin wrote:
due to someone being an idot


I presume you meant "idiot," and if so, that person would be you or the person getting caught. Your whole premise is flawed; you have yet to hold up the burden of proof to support it.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Quebber
State War Academy
Caldari State
#123 - 2012-03-25 15:00:05 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Yet again, you guys make the assumption that we do not do this. Still no solid concrete information as to why afk cloakers that come active every other or so gets a gank due to someone being an idotand then go back to afk cloaking should be allowed. It's a flawed mechanic.



I will try to explain this in a mechanics way.

You yourself just said that the corp you are in counters this problem when on the ball, also that the people who get caught are people not on the ball, having a brain phart.

Thus the game mechanic of punishing stupidity is working as intended, you know like I do we see it all the time the idiots that jump gates the lost ones, the fail fits, eve punishes these people, mistakes in eve are expensive and painful.

A scout or sniper in real life or a hunter find the "perch" can settle in a sleep or rest for 12 hours waiting on prey.

While the cloaking and use of those kind of strategy is uncomfortable and forces you to adapt your play having been on both sides of that fence it does not seem broken to me.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#124 - 2012-03-25 15:16:42 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Roime wrote:
I live in w-space and find instant local chat intel a failed mechanic.

Anyway I still think that introducing cloak fuel could be quite interesting, for both the cloaker and the targets. Just like submarines have to sufrace some day, so would the cloaker. Or then sneak out of the system while you still have fuel.

More gameplay, a new consumable item, wouldn't hurt the primary use of cloaks, but would prevent eternal cloaking.

Just to clarify: No manual cycles or cap usage, but a fuel bay that could hold fuel for what, say, 6-12 hours? Anyway plenty enough that you could cloak our ass out during a normal play session. If you would want to cloak for longer, have a hauler anchor a small can for you in a SS, or another cloakie bring fuel for you.


Remove instant local? Nonono... Not knowing who is in local is worse than knowing someone is neutral and in local. Living in a wormholes your used to it, but to avoid reds showing up and your system and popping you local is vital

You don't like having local, you living in W-Space
I like having local, I live in K-Space


Ok, I left out the part explaining how we cope with having no local- we guard the entry holes. This would be even easier in K-space with stable stargates. Of course you also get random wormholes, but the most probable attack route is still the known stargates. In wormholes, the surprise buttsex often comes from a random K162. (yes, DSPs, we use them ;-) )

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Cloak fuel... I do like that idea. make it a consumable item you need to keep in your cargo hold or something, maybe an ice product so that it cant be monopolized like moon mining. Give cloaky ships a bonus to fuel usage or a special fuel bay, and make it impossible to cloak capitals.


I still like this idea too Cool

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Chav Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-03-26 10:36:49 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Chav Queen wrote:
There needs to be some way of finding and killing ships that are cloaked and stationary for a long peroid of time.
At the moment the hunter can never really become the hunted unless he reveals himself.
I wonder how hunters would feel for instance if you could mine from a perma cloaked ship?

Why not give cloaked ships the ability to find other cloaked ships abit like submarines stalking each other.

I hear alot of people laughing when noobs loose ships in high sec and say no where in EVE is completley safe
I could not agree more with that statement but it should also apply to sitting cloaked in a system full of hostile people.


Being docked up is 100% safe. The downside is all you can do is spin your ship.

Being cloaked is quite safe as well (but not 100%). The downside is all you can do is look around.

It's quite possible to "hunt the hunter" without having a tool to decloak them.



So if a guy decides to cloak up in a system then leave his PC unattended for the rest of the day how exactly do you hunt him?
Mark Hadden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2012-03-26 12:34:52 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:

So if a guy decides to cloak up in a system then leave his PC unattended for the rest of the day how exactly do you hunt him?


not at all. This is how you usually counter baits, simply being there so they get bored of continuous baiting, then you are pretty safe to engage. Everything right with this, boring them to death then attack is a legit tactic.
Woo Glin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-03-26 12:45:24 UTC
I mine in a scythe in 2-k and for the last week a afk cloacker has been in the system all day and I can't do anything because a scythe can't defend itself hardly from the rats let alone a bomber or stabber. At this rate I will never get into a malestrom or a hulk.
roigon
TURN LEFT
#128 - 2012-03-26 12:50:56 UTC
I have the perfect solution. Get into a cloaky yourself and sit in system. No doubt this will make him as nervous as it makes you and he'll no doubt leave.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#129 - 2012-03-26 12:56:15 UTC
Woo Glin wrote:
I mine in a scythe in 2-k and for the last week a afk cloacker has been in the system all day and I can't do anything because a scythe can't defend itself hardly from the rats let alone a bomber or stabber. At this rate I will never get into a malestrom or a hulk.


Lies; we know Goons don't mine. Twisted

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#130 - 2012-03-26 13:11:17 UTC
Woo Glin wrote:
I mine in a scythe in 2-k and for the last week a afk cloacker has been in the system all day and I can't do anything because a scythe can't defend itself hardly from the rats let alone a bomber or stabber. At this rate I will never get into a malestrom or a hulk.


9/10

The pseudo noobism, the bravado in the jawline, the Hulk or Maelstrom flexible endgame plan... I can not resist liking this...
sokkke
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2012-03-26 13:21:42 UTC
Greyscale hinted that he wants to remove local on Fanfest

It only makes sense to move d-scan and 'local intel' to the overview and make it part of the game play to be aware what your surrounding in the system looks like.

Which would also be the end of afk cloaking.

Cause every ship would have to be aware of its surroundings and a cloak would only hide the ships signature better/longer but not be a on/off switch like it is now. Gangs could boost each others sensor strength or there could be a special role (recon?) of ships that are especially good at it. Same as d-scan there should obviously be a way to get more info than the general passive 'whats there' if you put some effort into it.

Hostiles would have to put more effort into finding targets and even more if they want to stay undetected as long as possible. This plays into the move to be able to put more people in fewer systems and making it worth while for them in a pve and pvp sense and therefore making it less painful to find fights in 0.0.

tl;dr All on/off mechanics (local, cloak) will be gone soon.
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#132 - 2012-03-26 15:00:21 UTC
I'm proud of you, forums.
Nicholas Barker
Sneaky Magic Inc.
#133 - 2012-03-26 20:22:42 UTC
This is the most successful troll thread I've ever seen.

10/10
Lioka
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-03-26 21:09:08 UTC
I agree. The OP is in wrecking shots. I seriously doubt he cares about afk cloakers. This is truly an elaborate troll. I tip my hat to you good sir. This is the best one I have ever seen.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#135 - 2012-03-26 22:15:53 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
It's quite possible to "hunt the hunter" without having a tool to decloak them.

So if a guy decides to cloak up in a system then leave his PC unattended for the rest of the day how exactly do you hunt him?

How exactly is he hunting?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Womyn Power
Broski Bad End
#136 - 2012-03-26 23:03:55 UTC
Lioka wrote:
I agree. The OP is in wrecking shots. I seriously doubt he cares about afk cloakers. This is truly an elaborate troll. I tip my hat to you good sir. This is the best one I have ever seen.


Coming from one of his former CEOs on my teamspeak, apparently he actually is this ********.

Wish it was a troll though.
xXxWirtyXDoorxXx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2012-03-26 23:12:26 UTC
I wish people didn't get mad over video games.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#138 - 2012-03-27 09:34:43 UTC
mega gaming

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#139 - 2012-03-27 09:59:57 UTC
Is it just me? After living in a wh for a few weeks, I go to low sec and feel safe seeing people in local.....

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.