EVE General Discussion

Criminally not much but they could ban products from the company in the USA.

This whole drunken thing was a disservice to EVE the game and the community. In RL and in game I'm kinda known as being a hard core mother. I was watching this live on stream and thought it was disgraceful behavior. No matter what happened it's CCP's fault for allowing this kind of behavior to happen in the first place.

Well, this scandal is breaking out on all major gaming websites.

CCP has a major PR disaster on its hands. Every normal gamer will steer clear of EVE.

If anyone is actually interested in the person in question, instead of bashing Mittens, he is alive and well and still playing the game.

Of course, none of you actually care about that.

Is there any space on the bandwagon? My NPC corp Jita price checker alt has some badpoasting to do.

EVE as a game encourages anti-social behavior. This is part of the game and expected by all participants. But we want anti-social behavior in the game, and not in the real world. Fan Fest is a great example of this: Enemies meet and drink together, because in the end, we are all players of the same game. This does mean, though, that there has to be a line as to what is not acceptable anymore. A line where the accepted and expected anti-social in-game behavior ends and where unacceptable behavior begins.

I do hope that CCP does a thorough investigation, and either decide that this line was not crossed here - and present an explanation as to why that line was not crossed here - or take the correct consequence and terminate the customer / service provider relationship with the player of "the mittani".

Oh, also:

This thread is doing just that. :-)

I rarely post on forums but this is just silly. Sure e-bullying is illegal and some cases where extreme bullying have led to suicide there have been guilty verdicts, but there's also been plenty of acquittals.

If you look this guy up in game there's a link that eventually leads to his blog, he seems to be doing just fine. You also have to read a bit into the e-mail that was presented in the Alliance panel, there's no mention of actual depression or suicide. There are some mention of it in a few blog posts on this e-bullied persons blog.

On this blog he also proclaims he drove his wife to poison herself. His ex-wife left him btw, and that was after going blind and def, how mean do you have to be that your wife who's recently lost two very important senses has the courage to leave.

I am for free-speech, which in my view includes bullying. Sadly somewhere the laws started changing and now lots of countries have made ideas and opinions illegal. You can be a Anti-semite (other word got censored), but you can't dislike a person? Hopefully CCP has the guts to form a opinion on this that's not just main--stream PC.


Actions have consequences, some actions should be illegal.

Ideas have consequences, should ideas be illegal? Who decides what ideas are illegal? In Iran (and many other countries) it's illegal to apostate. In the US it's illegal to call someone names, but only really if they kill themselves, otherwise usually you're acquitted. It's hypocritical to make one idea illegal just because you don't agree with it. I hate "1940's German people" and love gay people, in Iran that's illegal, in Sweden that's just being normal. I hate door-salesmen, literally despise them, especially if it's a religion they're selling, I feel physically unclean if I accidentally open the door for them, under no circumstances should they ever be outlawed and in return I can yell all I want at them before I slam the door in their face.

So, someone has actually spoken to the guy, and he doesn't give a ****.

http://paste.pocoo.org/show/571748/

I have to disagree to an extent. People like Mr. Gianturco are not interested in being held accountable for anything. His attitude proves this and there should be no doubt. They simply do not comprehend and are not interested in understanding where social and ettiquette boundaries are. You'd be better off talking to a chair or a rock. You have to expect that there will be a few human beings that are going to do whatever they have to for some attention and to prove they are the "baddest a-hole" in the world. And if the threat were realized it would be a joke to this clown and his followers.

CCP, on the other hand, NEEDS to expect and prepare for this. And they didn't. Not only that, but even after Mr. Gianturco's invitation to his audience to provoke his victim's suicide nothing was done to ammend the situation. I feel like it's been only after the reaction of its playerbase that some action has been taken. And even worse yet, he continues to be a CCP and community liason; a representative of this community.

Its not about that one guy its about the next guy or the next ten guys or gals. Who may not be able to get over it.


Its a matter of precedent.

Regarding whether Mitten's behavior was acceptable, it does not matter if the guy really meant to off himself or if he does that. It also does not matter if Mittani really wanted him to die or not. His using his reputation and the Fanfest event to call for the harassment of an individual player would have been out of line even if the guy had never mentioned anything beyond not particularly liking being harassed by Goonies. Most bullying is meant as a joke by the bully. That does not make it alright.

The outrage is not about pity towards someone who has trouble dealing with Goonies in the game. The outrage is about someone abusing a position of trust to "play" against other players in such a way that is intended to cause bad feelings.