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If you play a high sec game, be afraid, be very afraid

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Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#121 - 2012-03-26 14:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Josefius
On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style.

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-Winston Churchill

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-03-26 14:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
Ok, after having watched about 1/3 of the video before stopping it I noticed something unsual

There are two guys in the video

There is a tray with six glasses and a container filled with water that looks like it goes in a pneumatic transport system (like at a bank for the drive through, put money in container, put in tube and its sucked to the other end)

But there are two Dasani bottles, one on the table and the other on a filing cabinet with another one of those pneumatic transport tube water jus

CCP Soundwave was having a drinking contest (on the clock, no alcohol), a pissing match in the restroom at 10 paces incase of a tie breaker, and he lost so has to do an interview

Either that theory or there was planning for defense of possible alien invasion in EVE but they are covering it up with the interview while the rest of the people who were at the table had left but Soundwave got ambushed before he could exit the room. Actually, that makes more sense

But back on topic - Don't like it, fed up with EVE, just not having fun anymore. Just leave, cancel sub, and walk away. Don't need a drama post, don't need to theorize about it, just Stop payment -> Go, perhaps say good bye to aquaintances and find something else in life. That is kind of where I am at, been waiting to long for some spark to reignite and continue my interest in EVE while spending more time on the forums trolling then in game and if these expansion doesn't cut it....like Porky Pig's "Th-th-th-that's all folks!" cause there ins't anything to keep me in EVE and no WoW isn't the destination Ugh
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#123 - 2012-03-26 15:06:43 UTC
Why does the OP soud a bit pious?

So let me get this straingt? CCP wants to charge more for high sec protection via taxes, lesser pay, and gate tolls.

I see no problem here move along.

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Kla2
Defiance LLC
#124 - 2012-03-26 15:09:51 UTC
Skydell wrote:



EVE is not a l33tboi PvP bear game. EVE is a sandbox. It is Industry, it is exploration, it is PvE, it is PvP, it is mining, manufacturing, it is many, many things and you can smack talk all you want but the fact is, EVE needs all its players. It needs them all to feel achieved and it needs them to be having fun.




A grain of truth amidst all the whining and complaining.


Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2012-03-26 15:25:58 UTC
i live in highsec, none of what he says sounds bad
a bit more taxes? idc it makes skills that reduce taxes more important
incursion nerf? this has been needed for a while in fact what it sounds like will happen is more LP less isk, meaning its less of a faucet, not less profitable
datacore farming? its still going to be isk machines, just not as profitable in fact it will not become an is sink.
bounty nerf? this will be in every region and after drones get bounties
Kla2
Defiance LLC
#126 - 2012-03-26 15:27:36 UTC
Josefius wrote:
On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style.




What did you expect? Think back to Sim City. After you've built this fantastic city with all your time and hard work.........the very next thing you did was send godzilla or a meteor shower or some other diasaster to your little world. And watch it burn. Then build it back. EVE is CCP's Sim City. Why should they want it to be easy and passive? They want to toss in a few grenades and watch us scramble around trying to survive. They wouldn't have it any other way.....unless we won't pay for it, hehe.
Vince Snetterton
#127 - 2012-03-26 15:30:42 UTC
Kla2 wrote:
Skydell wrote:



EVE is not a l33tboi PvP bear game. EVE is a sandbox. It is Industry, it is exploration, it is PvE, it is PvP, it is mining, manufacturing, it is many, many things and you can smack talk all you want but the fact is, EVE needs all its players. It needs them all to feel achieved and it needs them to be having fun.




A grain of truth amidst all the whining and complaining.




I am in wait and see mode. I expect this to be a disaster , obviously.
If I can't pay for my accounts through high sec operations that are not equivalent to a job, I will simply let my accounts lapse.

The consequences of CCP's actions will be seen by mid/late fall, whatever they might be.

Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#128 - 2012-03-26 15:33:02 UTC
Kla2 wrote:
Josefius wrote:
On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style.




What did you expect? Think back to Sim City. After you've built this fantastic city with all your time and hard work.........the very next thing you did was send godzilla or a meteor shower or some other diasaster to your little world. And watch it burn. Then build it back. EVE is CCP's Sim City. Why should they want it to be easy and passive? They want to toss in a few grenades and watch us scramble around trying to survive. They wouldn't have it any other way.....unless we won't pay for it, hehe.


You make a very good point... and yes I remember those days :)

You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.

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Noceur-01 Tiers
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#129 - 2012-03-26 16:41:31 UTC
I hope we see much changes making high sec into **** because I'm tired of dwelling there. Going out as it is right now would most likely only get me killed very fast without any good ways of actually supporting my life in comparison to hisec incursions/lv4s but if there was a mass emigration I would love to go out there. Also I would assume that with more players the possibility to do solo/duo pvp becomes more possible.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#130 - 2012-03-26 19:28:48 UTC
Josefius wrote:
On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style.


I'm pretty sure Soundwave doesn't have any issues with a particular play style. I certainly don't because I've probably spent as much time building things as I have destroying them. v0v Smile

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Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#131 - 2012-03-26 19:46:22 UTC
Ultima Online - I find that funny. Everyone uses easyuo in that game.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#132 - 2012-03-26 19:55:28 UTC
Eh I dont see it as an exclusive high sec nerf...
Copine Callmeknau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2012-03-26 19:56:00 UTC
Who cares if your income is going down by 10%

90% of peanuts/hour is still peanuts/hour

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#134 - 2012-03-26 20:03:48 UTC
None of this sounds particularly bad or dire. The economy is out of control. High sec needs to be shaken up. I can live with bounty cuts and tax increases, and I don't see much else here. There are drone missions in high sec, too, so I don't understand why OP does not think that will in fact balance out. High end minerals also come from wormholes, which are relatively safe places to play, if you know what you're doing or you have a good corp to teach you.

The other changes CCP has announced regarding high sec security are in fact encouraging to players who want a safer environment for their play. If that comes with a cost, so be it. Safety should cost more. Rewards to high sec should be lowered if risk in high sec is also being lowered.

Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#135 - 2012-03-26 20:10:26 UTC
Has CCP said what proportion of the player community plays exclusively in highsec?

I'd want to be very careful about biting the hand that feeds if I were them.

As to whether I'll throw in the towel after these nerfs go into effect, I'll have to see how badly it bites my ability to make ISK. Already tried nullsec gameplay is it sucks kinda badly from my point of view, so highsec is where I live.
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2012-03-26 20:17:09 UTC
Who cares? On my two other accounts, I already planned on moving into a WH soon, so **** the high-sec nerf. And with this one, well, I'll find something to do. Probably find a dozen or two new players, roam around in null-sec with them, kill stuff...

You high-seccers just go ahead and have fun whining over a high-sec nerf. I'll be sitting here in the corner. Killing stuff. For fun. Ignoring you... The usual.

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#137 - 2012-03-26 20:24:01 UTC
Sounds great - I may finally have an incentive to go back to 0.

I doubt much will change for the majority - profit divided by zero risk is still an infinite risk/profit ratio - no matter how heavily taxed it is.
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Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#138 - 2012-03-26 20:25:40 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
Has CCP said what proportion of the player community plays exclusively in highsec?

I'd want to be very careful about biting the hand that feeds if I were them.

As to whether I'll throw in the towel after these nerfs go into effect, I'll have to see how badly it bites my ability to make ISK. Already tried nullsec gameplay is it sucks kinda badly from my point of view, so highsec is where I live.


This. Until then, I'll continue to mirror the cliche of the crazy old guy sitting on his porch with a shotgun all day long because the bank keeps on coming by trying to buy his land, that he doesn't want to sell, because they want to build a stripmall, but he doesn't give an eff because it's where his pappy grew up and died and his pappy before him and his pappy too and it's where he'll live and die too.
Shade Severii
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2012-03-26 20:30:51 UTC
I have spent half my life as a high sec bear and half as a WH bear and these changes look good.
Conu Leonida
filcaii sus paharu
#140 - 2012-03-26 20:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Conu Leonida
CCP won't do anything to endanger their hisec dwellers. They might prod them and touch them in some places, but they won't risk alienate the people not willing to go into lowsec, WH or nullsec.

Aside from suicide ganks which are more commonly going for miners or +2bil fits and can-baiting, pushing people averse to PVP into PVP will not work. They are settled in their own ways and most of them would look for something else where they could do similar activities.

Despite all their high and mighty attitude, CCP is still a company trying to make money. So, withing limits, the more people joining the game and having a decent start-up experience, thus sticking with the game, the better.

Thus, we need to take into account that quite a lot of people are in "protected" space. Which means, discounting the PVP-ers, that they may be at least equal to the people in lowsec and nullsec, where supposedly the risk is a constant. After that, we need to take into account that most MMO players are "carebears" which like to bash NPCs.

Therefore, CCP will have limited maneuver space to modifying game-play in hisec.