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Calling for consistency in EULA punishment (Update: CCP was consistent, good job!)

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XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#1 - 2012-03-26 20:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: XavierVE
When the controversy over CCP's micro-transactions last summer was at it's peak, dozens of players were banned for "harassment", with many other threatened. Players like Helicity Boson were banned for telling a Dev to "die in a fire", as a prominent example. Others were banned for even less inflammatory verbiage. Some of them still remain banned, despite doing nothing more than speaking truth to CCP. I almost was banned just for asking players to post a simple "boo" at CCP Soundwave over his Fearless article. CCP employees were indignant about "the level of harassment" against him during the controversy. Yet, calling for players to harass someone until they commit suicide, that's apparently okay provided that they don't work for CCP.

CCP has no consistency with how they enforce their EULA. There are separate rules depending on "who you are." If any of us "normal" players had written the words that Mittani spoke at Fanfest, we would have been automatically banned from the forums and in-game. If you wrote an eve-mail to your corp advocating that they go harass another player who was known to have mental issues until he committed suicide, you would be perma-banned in-game.

Players in the past have been banned for simply helping police the game, one player to the point where you can't even speak his name because he exposed the t2 blueprint scandal years ago. Perhaps if he had been on the CSM, such behavior would have been acceptable, eh?

The devs and company treats their friends and drinking buddies far differently than they treat the average player. The average player would have been instantly banned. You would have been instantly banned for doing even half of what Mittani did on video at fanfest. It would not have taken players pointing it out to the gaming media, it would have been done as soon as a GM or dev saw the harassment. It would not have required some sham "investigation."

Whether or not you agree with their rules, everyone should agree that the company should apply them consistently no matter who the player is. Either remove the rules against harassment, etc, or enforce them across the board fairly and logically.

Updated:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 - It took far longer than usual, but CCP actually did enforce their EULA in this case fairly consistently. Nice job, a very big surprise that really helps restore player confidence in your ability to be fair.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-03-26 20:15:26 UTC
Yet another one, this is becoming tiresome.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-03-26 20:17:33 UTC
Excellent. Thanks for the free publicity

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-26 20:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
In all honesty it is CCP's EULA and they can enforce it however they want. This could have gone in one of the other threads...perhaps the 41 page threadnaught for this specifically?

I do agree with you however. Mittani should not get special treatment for what he did. If others get banned and have been banned for doing things similar to what he did then he should also be banned. If not, it will set a bad precedent and essentially makes the EULA pointless.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#5 - 2012-03-26 20:27:30 UTC
The Mittani shouldn't get any special treatment, if it was anyone of us we would've been insta banned. The fact the he hasn't been banned shows CCPs stance in the situation. They might just be waiting for this to blow over, also kinda sucks when people working for news broadcasters learn about these things...

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-03-26 20:28:18 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
The Mittani shouldn't get any special treatment, if it was anyone of us we would've been insta banned. The fact the he hasn't been banned shows CCPs stance in the situation. They might just be waiting for this to blow over, also kinda sucks when people working for news broadcasters learn about these things...


Oh boy...NCdot's renter alliance is mad about Goons.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Rasquel
Mount Othrys
Brave Collective
#7 - 2012-03-26 20:31:31 UTC
Just for my clarification, are you referring to something that was done using the software that the EULA pertains to or outside of the software, like at Fan Fest or something where the EULA is not applicable?
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-03-26 20:31:42 UTC
+1 to the OP. I lost confidence in the CSM and CCP's ability to handle this matter. It's a corrupt charade where favouritism rules. And I'm expected to pay for this? Who are they kidding?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-26 20:34:34 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
+1 to the OP. I lost confidence in the CSM and CCP's ability to handle this matter. It's a corrupt charade where favouritism rules. And I'm expected to pay for this? Who are they kidding?


Hurry up and finish quitting the game, your death knell is getting tiresome.
Ghoest
#10 - 2012-03-26 20:34:56 UTC
Its all about money dude. And Its CCPs game so they can do what they want.

Mittens leads Goons = many subscription = no ban Mittens

People calling out CCP = lost subscriptions = ban hammer



Seriously how hard is this to figure out. Goons have 1000s of subs, thats important.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are

Sponge Blib
#11 - 2012-03-26 20:40:38 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
Its all about money dude. And Its CCPs game so they can do what they want.

Mittens leads Goons = many subscription = no ban Mittens

People calling out CCP = lost subscriptions = ban hammer



Seriously how hard is this to figure out. Goons have 1000s of subs, thats important.

Simplistic reasoning for simplistic people. I'm certain you just convinced a lot of people.
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-26 20:40:48 UTC
That is an interesting point. I remember all those bans, some of them were for practically nothing.

The EULA should be enforced consistently. Weather it is banning the people involved in this, or unbanning those from the Incarna/Fearless incidents, along with bonus SP for the time they've been banned.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-03-26 20:43:07 UTC
Xython wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
+1 to the OP. I lost confidence in the CSM and CCP's ability to handle this matter. It's a corrupt charade where favouritism rules. And I'm expected to pay for this? Who are they kidding?


Hurry up and finish quitting the game, your death knell is getting tiresome.


Yeah, I'm off.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#14 - 2012-03-26 20:43:31 UTC
Considering that not everyone who was at fanfest was even an Eve player, I am simply amazed that they were all abound by the EULA, some of whom will never have even seen it.

Can any internet lawyers help out here? We need guidance!

All of you clutching at some law / rule he has broken to try to oust him is getting pretty funny.

I read on Twitter he may have violated the Farmville TOS, too. Can we get a ruling on whether someone who does that is even allowed in Iceland??!

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Ghoest
#15 - 2012-03-26 20:43:39 UTC
Sponge Blib wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
Its all about money dude. And Its CCPs game so they can do what they want.

Mittens leads Goons = many subscription = no ban Mittens

People calling out CCP = lost subscriptions = ban hammer



Seriously how hard is this to figure out. Goons have 1000s of subs, thats important.

Simplistic reasoning for simplistic people. I'm certain you just convinced a lot of people.



Money is pretty simple.

People protect it.

When you grow up you learn this.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-26 20:44:59 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
Money is pretty simple.

People protect it.

When you grow up you learn this.


So what you're saying is that CCP would be dumb to **** off 10,058 paying accounts just to appease some NPC corp alts who are mad about goons?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-26 20:45:10 UTC
I do think Mitts is going to get some type of punishment, but damn, can we let the process work first? Let CCP do their investigation first to see what they find.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Ghoest
#18 - 2012-03-26 20:46:50 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
Money is pretty simple.

People protect it.

When you grow up you learn this.


So what you're saying is that CCP would be dumb to **** off 10,058 paying accounts just to appease some NPC corp alts who are mad about goons?




Ummm thats the dumbest response you have ever given.

I said exactly the opposite.

Wherever You Went - Here You Are

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-26 20:47:06 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
Money is pretty simple.

People protect it.

When you grow up you learn this.


So what you're saying is that CCP would be dumb to **** off 10,058 paying accounts just to appease some NPC corp alts who are mad about goons?



Yea I see what you are saying, but man, trying to get someone to commit suicide...thats Brutal, even by EVE standards. Thats the type of attention CCP doesnt want Im sure.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#20 - 2012-03-26 21:02:32 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
Money is pretty simple.

People protect it.

When you grow up you learn this.


So what you're saying is that CCP would be dumb to **** off 10,058 paying accounts just to appease some NPC corp alts who are mad about goons?



Yea I see what you are saying, but man, trying to get someone to commit suicide...thats Brutal, even by EVE standards. Thats the type of attention CCP doesnt want Im sure.


Go watch the video.

If you can't distinguish drunken comments shouted into a mic after the presentations are over from an attempt to murder by proxy then you have serious issues.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

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