EVE General Discussion

imo rr is too much appart of fleets now adays and the main reason is large reps on medium ships... i think there should be a bs version of logi ships that use large versions of RR... and the cruiser versions should only use medium... simply inrease the pg requirements for large remote reps so that only bs's can fit them... WHY?

well if you want to put out that much RR you should have the penilties of being in a bs sized ship... max speed agility sig radius...

but if we do this there should a boost made to medium rr... make the ships more agile and faster and give them better terciary bonus like for the oneiros for remote eccm...

do this and you will start seeing people dust off thier bs's and go on roams and you will see more specialized crusier fleets out there... its a win win...

upon reflection i came to the conclusion that rr should be sig radius based... wtf!??!?!?

no seriously now... think about it.. if you are in a capital sized ship and shoot capital sized weapons at a interceptor you will not hit it ... the same should be for rr...

a capital rr should be designed to cover the area of a capital ship which can be several kilometers long... the dispersion ratio would have to be massive to be effective on a ship that level... so its only logical that if i were to target the same interceptor that the amount of rr the ship would receive would be minimal aswell... (as most of it would fall on empty space)

so this would lead to 4 classes of rr ships:

currently we have two logistics cruisers and carriers...

i want to see a bs version and frig version...

this would make fleets much more diverse and provide more "healer" type roles in eve...

quoting for truth

so everything is broken?

Didn't you hear? Eve is dying so yes everything is broken.

I've mentioned those ideas many times.

Here are a few of the things that the very worst Logi ship can do.


Give a frigate an 1100dps tank, since the frigate has probably under 40m sig radius it becomes effectively invulnerable. Plus because it has your MWD off you'll never kill the Oneiros that's 72km away. A drake volley to an Oneiros does about 70 damage so you won't break the shields if you can hit it.

Support 2 DPS Abaddons as they mow down L4's.


Do L4's with the Oneiros by itself......Ex. Gone Berserk L4, the Death Knight cruisers do under 4 damage, 1 medium repper and you are set.

Then there are the Logi ships that generate infinite energy, if we've mastered that WTF are we fighting over we can all go home we have become god.


The funny thing here is that the makers of Perpetuum have integrated all of the popular suggestions and made not only good logi but excellent industry and everybody keeps playing EvE for its population.....

Lol, someone calling for a logi nerf because they cannot field as many logi as their enemies.

Look logi are fine, they require a nice amount of skills to get into and several skills at level 5 to fly them well. They are not this ultimate OMG I CAnT hIT ThAT HAxz!!! They are pretty easy to kill, their EHP is low, especially for a t2 ship, and the only thing that they have going for them is their speed/sig, which can be easily countered. Also if you cant hit a logi for full damage in an Ahac then you shouldnt be flying the Ahac.

Finally if you are really really really really having a hard time combating logi then have everyone in your fleet that can field drones use ECM drones and just swam the enemy logi with ECM. An ECM swam can shut down logi and with guards/basi that means shutting down other logi (cap trains).

The most OP logi would have to be the Scimi, since it can scoot around outside the enemy range and still provide reps, but that not a problem with the logi, that the basis of all Mini ships.

So logi are fine, dont be mad because you cant get people to fly them.

/Disagree with the OP. Logistics are not overpowered, even if it may seem so to a solo pilot. But really, if that Scimitar repping the Drake who you're shooting at was instead a Falcon jamming you, would anything be different? No, you'd still probably die. If you don't want to die, either field logistics of your own, field mobile, accurate DPS to kill the logi, or use EWAR to make the logi useless.

Logistics ships can be countered rather easily.

The ONLY problem I see with logistics ships as they are is that they don't incur a combat timer for repping, and thus can dock in structure, repair, undock, rep again, get shot, dock in hull, rinse, repeat, which is lame and uncounterable. But the logistics ships themselves, in terms of being OP, are just fine.

Why don't reps stack like everything else?
Nuff said.

Or...
They could just have a stacking penalty and everything gets fixed.

I swear, it's as though none of the folk complaining about logistics in this thread have actually flown in a decent gang, or are just high-sec "Pirates" and have never seen logistics except as neutral alts. The sheer amount of misinformation and silly assertions is mindboggling.


Of course, that frigate still only has perhaps 4000 EHP, and less in practice because EFT usually overstates HP, so anything above a cruiser will one-shot it even if it has a hundred logistics repping it, seeing as remote reppers have a cycle time. Even if you don't have sufficient alpha strike to one-shot a frigate, odds are your second volley will land while the reppers are cycling and kill the damn thing. I've seen it done to several dozen frigates since I started flying logistics, and there's not a damn thing the logistics pilot can do about it.


I suggest bringing some friends along, next time. Hell, the Oneiros hull alone costs more than three fully-fit Drakes. A set of Solace reppers costs as much as a fully fit Drake nowadays.A solo Drake probably won't be able to kill an Oneiros very quickly, but that Oneiros will go down eventually. Eight typical Drakes have sufficient dps to break a pair of Oneiroses, unless they're crap-fit.


While doing no dps. It would be more efficient to just bring in a remote-repair Dominix. I'm not sure how this is a problem.


You can, but why would you want to?


You could, of course, bring ECM, neutralizers, sensor dampners, or just a few extra buddies. The logistics energy spider is quite fragile against a decent enemy, which you clearly are not. It's quite possible to brute-force through remote repairs, but a smart opponent can shut down the opposing logistics entirely. Just takes some thought.