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The new ship line system change... wtf .

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exigo veritas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-26 07:29:30 UTC
Im kind of out raged so many waisted skill points. I hope they are giving Every one a full skill point respec, as we have all trained tons and tons of skills just to unlock ships.

Or at least a refund for all skills that are no longer needed for ship unlocks.
Lexmana
#2 - 2012-03-26 08:15:04 UTC
exigo veritas wrote:
Im kind of out raged so many waisted skill points. I hope they are giving Every one a full skill point respec, as we have all trained tons and tons of skills just to unlock ships.

Or at least a refund for all skills that are no longer needed for ship unlocks.


Yeah, your game will really suck after the change I mean you can't do almost anything anymore.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-26 08:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: MotherMoon
Your taking this way to far. We should get a full re-spec when it comes to JUST SHIP COMMAND SKILLS, with some kind of sp that can only be spent on ship command skills.

this is for new players, not people like me. I could care less if i lost 10 million sp today, i can fly anything allready.

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exigo veritas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-26 08:46:38 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Your taking this way to far. We should get a full re-spec when it comes to JUST SHIP COMMAND SKILLS, with some kind of sp that can only be spent on ship command skills.

this is for new players, not people like me. I could care less if i lost 10 million sp today, i can fly anything allready.


You should care. those are 10 mill sp and months of training you could of spent els where.
Jade Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#5 - 2012-03-26 08:58:08 UTC
exigo veritas wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
Your taking this way to far. We should get a full re-spec when it comes to JUST SHIP COMMAND SKILLS, with some kind of sp that can only be spent on ship command skills.

this is for new players, not people like me. I could care less if i lost 10 million sp today, i can fly anything allready.


You should care. those are 10 mill sp and months of training you could of spent els where.


you forget that everyone gets affected.
Lexmana
#6 - 2012-03-26 09:02:20 UTC
Jade Scytale wrote:
you forget that everyone gets affected.


Just wait and you will see even more forum cries when they nerf bounties across the board with 10-15%.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#7 - 2012-03-26 13:07:16 UTC
exigo veritas wrote:
Im kind of out raged so many waisted skill points. I hope they are giving Every one a full skill point respec, as we have all trained tons and tons of skills just to unlock ships.

Or at least a refund for all skills that are no longer needed for ship unlocks.


Are you talking about the skill tree they are iterating on? CCP made it very clear that they are just splitting the skills such as destroyers and battlecruisers (perhaps others as well) to have their own race name and are streamlining it so that it makes sense. Right now, the skill tree makes no sense. I mean, it makes no sense that I trained an alt to fly a battleship, yet it can't fly a puny dessie? That's like being able to ride a Yamaha motorcycle, yet you can't ride a pedal-driven bicycle. Also, they made it abundantly clear that if you can fly an Amarrian or Gallente destroyer now, you will still be able to fly it then after the iteration. They made that clear in both the dev blogs and on the Fanfest keynotes. I don't see what the fuss is about on this.

If you're not talking about the skill tree iteration, then please elaborate.

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Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-26 13:10:31 UTC
TL;DR
The OP hasn't understood the changes and/or even read them.
Volturius Maximus-Fur
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#9 - 2012-03-26 13:11:31 UTC
He is, but i think he's referring to things like no longer needing to have "assault ships" trained to train "heavy assault ships" or "covert ops" trained before training "recons." I don't really care, it's not as though I'm losing access to anything. I'm sure he will find some use for the pre-req classes at some point, and would've wanted them trained eventually anyway.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#10 - 2012-03-26 13:15:24 UTC
OP did not read Dev: "What you can fly now, you can fly after the change"
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-26 13:15:38 UTC
This is a can of worms.

Full respec? Not likely.

Respec only for Spaceship Command? What about weapon systems? For example, if they change the way drone boats currently are and turn them even more into gun/missile boats with drones becoming less and less viable as a main weapon system, then they would need to allow drone points respecs too.

I don't think they'll be doing any of that. They'll just make sure you can fly what you could before the patch, most likely giving away some free SP, and that'll be the end of it.
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#12 - 2012-03-26 13:16:15 UTC
i would not give up my mining barge skills even if given the opportunity
retriever 4 lyfe

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-26 13:18:58 UTC
It's already been explicitly stated that "if you can fly it before the change, you can fly it after the change as well"

Christ you're dumb
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-26 13:20:07 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
exigo veritas wrote:
Im kind of out raged so many waisted skill points. I hope they are giving Every one a full skill point respec, as we have all trained tons and tons of skills just to unlock ships.

Or at least a refund for all skills that are no longer needed for ship unlocks.


Yeah, your game will really suck after the change I mean you can't do almost anything anymore.

I love how I read your post and then look at your avatar. It makes me thing your avatar is saying "you are a ******* moron". lol

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exigo veritas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-26 16:41:33 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
exigo veritas wrote:
Im kind of out raged so many waisted skill points. I hope they are giving Every one a full skill point respec, as we have all trained tons and tons of skills just to unlock ships.

Or at least a refund for all skills that are no longer needed for ship unlocks.


Are you talking about the skill tree they are iterating on? CCP made it very clear that they are just splitting the skills such as destroyers and battlecruisers (perhaps others as well) to have their own race name and are streamlining it so that it makes sense. Right now, the skill tree makes no sense. I mean, it makes no sense that I trained an alt to fly a battleship, yet it can't fly a puny dessie? That's like being able to ride a Yamaha motorcycle, yet you can't ride a pedal-driven bicycle. Also, they made it abundantly clear that if you can fly an Amarrian or Gallente destroyer now, you will still be able to fly it then after the iteration. They made that clear in both the dev blogs and on the Fanfest keynotes. I don't see what the fuss is about on this.

If you're not talking about the skill tree iteration, then please elaborate.


You don't get what im upset about. I will be left with a large amount of sp invested in skills that i no longer need, as i would of only trained said skills to unlock another ship
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#16 - 2012-03-26 16:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
exigo veritas wrote:


You don't get what im upset about. I will be left with a large amount of sp invested in skills that i no longer need, as i would of only trained said skills to unlock another ship


What you get is more flexibility for the future. As it is always changing, you may just want those lvl5s you already trained in the future. Don't be a baby like in WoW and complain about new characters getting a mount at 20 when YOU had to get it at 50 or whatever at launch because that was your game back then.
Do you want an achievement badge in your hanger saying you earned the t2s or caps the old fashion way? Maybe a plaque on the wall of your CQ.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#17 - 2012-03-26 16:47:33 UTC
I am also questioning why people are getting so butt hurt that they're able to fly more ships competently than other players. I am going to make it a point that any ship removed from the tech 2 tree will require that ships prerequsists still.

For example Heavy Assault Cruiser still requiring mechanic to 5.

Next notation. Who is to say that your FOTM ship is about to lose its gold badge status? The smaller ships are all gettings bossts and yoru bigger ships are going to lag behind.

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-26 16:48:51 UTC
exigo veritas wrote:

You don't get what im upset about. I will be left with a large amount of sp invested in skills that i no longer need, as i would of only trained said skills to unlock another ship


HACs: You now have the maximum reduction of CPU for weapons
Fleet Command ships: You can now fly logistics to quite a high degree of competence, get a 40% boost to boosters, have a 10% locktime bonus in fleets and have generally high-standard locking skills
Field Command ships: You're excellent at flying HACs
Recons: You're good at bombers

Can't be arsed to list all the others, but all these skills should really have been trained ANYWAY at some point...

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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#19 - 2012-03-26 16:52:15 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Do you want an achievement badge in your hanger saying you earned the t2s or caps the old fashion way? Maybe a plaque on the wall of your CQ.

yes can we have feats of strength please, like for training Survey V just to use a salvager or Missile Bombardment V to use a bomb?

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-03-26 16:55:28 UTC
Actually it's Salvaging V. :)

I wanted to fly Command Ships so I picked Logistics, which got me into trying Logistics as well as Incrusions. Both in combination being great fun for me, so I wouldn't rage about a change. Try all those little skills you had to train. They can provide additional and instant entertainment without further wait. :)

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