EVE General Discussion

been playing since 05, things have never been so easy. too much reward not enough risk.

there will always be ways for poor people to get rich in eve, but it shouldnt be so easy to make 1bil+ a day. everything that has been added in the last few years has devalued isk to the point where dropping a few bil is nothing to most, it should matter.

reduce everything by at least 20% and increase all tax's and sinks by the same. work harder to make that 1bil isk.

It is not as simple as that though, it is not about picking one thing. It is about picking the right combination of things and encouraging where player's spend their time by price signals, not just simply lowering numbers arbitrarily. It may good for a laugh when your stoned, as your name implies, but it doesn't work.

And most of the rich in Eve do not need much help becoming even more rich on whatever changes CCP comes up with. They're rich for a reason, no one needs to worry about them. Tax them too much and they will create their own black market and you will be paying their taxes.

Man, it pains me to say this, but if EVE players ran the real life economy, we'd be in even worse shape than we already are.

Nerfing ISK faucets because of some misguided drive to decrease the amount of ISK in the game would be quite an uninformed decision. Most of the faucet ISK is concentrated in the hands of a relatively small amount of people. In turn, that money is absorbed into the high-end faction, deadspace, and officer gear market.

Mineral prices are mostly affected by drop changes (see: recent module size nerfs, drone region nerfs), and bot bans. As such, the prices of minerals, and by extent all T1 goods, have remained relatively stable throughout the years. I know there's been a panic going on for the past few weeks; this sometimes happens. Still, I could buy a Brutix for the same price last January that I could in 2005. For comparison, a 2005 Vigilant cost about 9 million ISK.

What is needed isn't a flat-out nerf to ISK faucets, but a balance of the ISK faucet against other faucets, and a balance of the risk/reward system between high, low, and null sec space.

We certainly don't need the removal of all ISK generation mechanisms, as some people propose. If that were to happen, EVE would regress into a barter economy within months.

There's more to it than that. The solution should fix the problem without creating new ones. If you disagree, go play ANY other MMO, where they make a habit of creating at least two problems every time they fix one.

game needs more isk sinks tbh. how many sinks are there vs faucets?

I disagree. While I can agree that certain forms of ISK income are too easy in comparison to others, I think that a healthy increase in ISK generation should accompany any newer, better, and badder struggles against NPCs (high class sleeper anomalies, incursions). The problem isn't that the isk is to easy to get, it's that there's nothing to spend it on. You need bigger and badder ships to run those newer sites anyway, sometimes stuff that wasn't even available a few years ago.

Invent some new useful consumables (implants? drugs? fueled enhanced armor/shield hardeners?), change incursion payouts from isks to materials needed to manufacture those cunsomables. Inflation problem solved.

That's a pretty good list, and if you ponder a moment and think about how big each of these is, it really puts it into perspective. Well that pretty much explains the ISK flood.

Here, let me explain. When you make a list of the approximate value each faucet and sink has on an average pilot, you see that the problem isn't runaway isk faucets, it's a general lack of isk sinks. Here's approximately what each has been worth to me over the course of my entire career in EVE:

Faucets:
NPC bounties - 1,000,000,000 - 1,500,000,000
NPC buy orders - 5,000,000 - 20,000,000
Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards - 150,000,000 - 250,000,000
Insurance payout - ~100,000,000
GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods - none (I've only been reimbursed in goods, never ISK)
Character creation - ~600,000

Sinks:
Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax - 15,000,000 - 25,000,000
NPC sell orders - ~400,000,000 (mostly skillbooks)
NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance - 50,000,000 - 100,000,000
NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties - none (I don't keep my goods in offices so I don't know what that's like)
Wardecs - 10,000,000
Sovereignty fees - ~25,000,000
PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices) - 20,000,000 - 30,000,000
Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads - 25,000,000 - 50,000,000
Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits - ~15,000,000
CSPA Charges - 750,000 - 1,500,000
Smuggling fines - ~100,000
GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement - ~10,000,000 (a Prophecy)
Character deletion - ~25,000

If you make that into a chart of faucets vs. sinks, it'll look something like this:
Faucets:
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Sinks:
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Now take into consideration that I've never run incursions or high-class sleeper sites, or even very many nullsec anomalies for that matter. Once I get into that in the next year or so, my graph will probably look like this:
Faucets:
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Sinks:
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There now I made it visual, thanks in part to Tippia.


That's why we don't take you seriously, my friend.

Remove Insurance entirely.
Switch incursions to LP payouts only.