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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-03-26 14:51:27 UTC
Meklon wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Meklon wrote:
If that is the case, I would imagine that PIE themselves adhere to these Imperial edicts.


If that is true, then did your own Archbishop ever get tried for his mis-treatment of slaves? I don't believe abandoning a single slave in a cargo container in the depths of space with merely a copy of the Pax and a slaver hound would count as good treatment?


Gods, I've missed this circle jerk with you Rodjy....



I'm sure that you don't need reminding that Archbishop is the chair of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves.



Would that make you the table?


At least it would be better than being the MUFF rug.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#22 - 2012-03-26 15:17:41 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

No, what you presented was conjecture and supposition.

Simply saying that slaves only rebel when they are mistreated is a gross oversimplification. There are many examples of ungrateful slaves rebelling when they are well treated.

Perhaps some Minmatars choose to go to the Republic because they believe the propaganda put out by the likes of you. Many of them find out the truth once they get there (such as Abel Jarek).


Ungrateful? Ungrateful of what?! The wonderful services you render in bringing them to God? If there is rebellion, there is unhappiness and discontent. It means you have failed in your supposed goal of caring for the people.

It is called the Day of Darkness for a reason. You didn't bring anyone into the light. You cast them into bondage and, later, a blood-soaked war.

Yes, Abel Jarek was killed at the hands of fanatics. There are people within all nations who do stupid things and think it better for "for the cause". Even my own Commander Surionen was the target of such an attack. Do not think yourselves the exclusive victims of the blood-thirsty, Imperial.
Meklon
Minmatar United Freedom Front
#23 - 2012-03-26 15:45:57 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

At least it would be better than being the MUFF rug.


Ah, nothing like the old quips to get into the swing of things.

As for the case of Jarek, the acts carried out which led to his death were slightly over the top, however, in the defence of the "vigilante" force I can understand that their hatred of the Amarr faith could lead them to blindly attack and destroy what could have been seen as the beginning of a subversive attack on Matar... let alone the fact of allowing an Amarrian community to form on the homeworld.

Tell me Blakey, how many Matari communities are there on Amarr Prime that are left to their own devices and allowed to follow their own tribal cultures - if any of it is allowed to be taught to them in the first place?
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#24 - 2012-03-26 16:40:09 UTC
You all realize that you'd get farther explaining quantum mechanics and expecting a doctoral dissertation from a rock than getting any reasonable discussion from the likes of Blake I hope?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2012-03-26 16:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Meklon wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

At least it would be better than being the MUFF rug.


As for the case of Jarek, the acts carried out which led to his death were slightly over the top, however, in the defence of the "vigilante" force I can understand that their hatred of the Amarr faith could lead them to blindly attack and destroy what could have been seen as the beginning of a subversive attack on Matar... let alone the fact of allowing an Amarrian community to form on the homeworld.


Slightly over the top?

The ship carrying him was attacked by Minmatar pirates, his chapel was burned to the ground, and he and his followers were brutally murdered.

I suppose you consider the mutilation and exile carried out by Minmatars in the name of their barbaric Voluval ritual to be "slightly over the top" as well?


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Tell me Blakey, how many Matari communities are there on Amarr Prime that are left to their own devices and allowed to follow their own tribal cultures - if any of it is allowed to be taught to them in the first place?


You may recall the Empress generously ordering the emancipation of a number of slaves a few years ago? Many of them are alive and well and happily living on Amarr Prime.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Meklon
Minmatar United Freedom Front
#26 - 2012-03-28 03:20:36 UTC
The rites and potential after effects of the Voluval is a cultural heritage, one which I myself, as one of the few non-Matari born, have been through. I'm quite suprised you'd have a problem with a culture following their faith and ideals, including the repercussions which may be involved.

Yes, I do remember the Empress giving a token offering, but that doesn't really answer the question as to how many Matari are actively and openly allowed to practice their own cultural traditions?
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#27 - 2012-03-28 04:06:15 UTC
A touching story, Charity, and I am happy you had an ok time of things.

I am happier you made the decision to come home.

Ignore the squabbling, this happens every time someone mentions the word "Minmatar" and the word "Slavery" in the same post. You learn to ignore it*

Avlynka Surionen
















*it, in this context, refers of course to old meanie-pants himself, Rodj Blake

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2012-03-28 09:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Meklon wrote:


Yes, I do remember the Empress giving a token offering, but that doesn't really answer the question as to how many Matari are actively and openly allowed to practice their own cultural traditions?


It's not really a relevant question as enlightened and emancipated Minmatars in the Empire tend to consider the Amarrian culture to be their own.

And that's a good thing as civilised society tends to frown upon arson, piracy, mutilation and murder.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Zana Shad
Ares Enterprises
#29 - 2012-03-28 11:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Zana Shad
Rodj Blake wrote:


It's not really a relevant question as enlightened and emancipated Minmatars in the Empire tend to consider the Amarrian culture to be their own.

And that's a good thing as civilised society tends to frown upon arson, piracy, mutilation and murder.


An excellent point Mr. Blake. I know that from my own experience several emancipated Minmatars he have so fully embraced the faith that I count them amongst the most devout beings that I know. As for criminals, I myself have whipped slaves accused and convicted of assault, theft and other unspeakable acts.

My father insisted that I take a hand in the delivery of justice, having me publically whip a slave for the first time when I was 10. The one and only time that one of my fathers slaves killed a guard, he was pubically executed in front of the rest of the slaves in our employ.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2012-03-28 12:13:12 UTC
Meklon wrote:
The rites and potential after effects of the Voluval is a cultural heritage, one which I myself, as one of the few non-Matari born, have been through. I'm quite suprised you'd have a problem with a culture following their faith and ideals, including the repercussions which may be involved.


Especially when said culture following their faith and ideals involving facts like non consensual tongue cutting, mutilation, vows of silence, pogroms and persecutions ?Out of curiosity, have you already visited Vo'shun ?

Meklon wrote:
Yes, I do remember the Empress giving a token offering, but that doesn't really answer the question as to how many Matari are actively and openly allowed to practice their own cultural traditions?


Probably as many as people are allowed to actively and openly practice their amarr faith in the Republic ?
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#31 - 2012-03-28 12:25:16 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Meklon wrote:
The rites and potential after effects of the Voluval is a cultural heritage, one which I myself, as one of the few non-Matari born, have been through. I'm quite suprised you'd have a problem with a culture following their faith and ideals, including the repercussions which may be involved.


Especially when said culture following their faith and ideals involving facts like non consensual tongue cutting, mutilation, vows of silence, pogroms and persecutions ?Out of curiosity, have you already visited Vo'shun ?

Meklon wrote:
Yes, I do remember the Empress giving a token offering, but that doesn't really answer the question as to how many Matari are actively and openly allowed to practice their own cultural traditions?


Probably as many as people are allowed to actively and openly practice their amarr faith in the Republic ?


For someone who has claimed time and again to be reasonable, youre really starting to sound just like every other Amarrian who finds fault only with others. Before condemning my house for being dirty, maybe make sure your own is clean?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-03-28 19:41:24 UTC
The paradox with slavery is that the Republic feels they have the right to "liberate" all slaves. Some want to go to the Republic, others would prefer to stay with the Empire for their own reasons. Whatever the case these slaves are forced onto republic vessels and taken away, not very different from how the original slaves were carried off. Sometimes these raiding parties don't only go after slaves, but freed Minmatar perfectly happy living in the Empire.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2012-03-28 20:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Ava Starfire wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Meklon wrote:
The rites and potential after effects of the Voluval is a cultural heritage, one which I myself, as one of the few non-Matari born, have been through. I'm quite suprised you'd have a problem with a culture following their faith and ideals, including the repercussions which may be involved.


Especially when said culture following their faith and ideals involving facts like non consensual tongue cutting, mutilation, vows of silence, pogroms and persecutions ?Out of curiosity, have you already visited Vo'shun ?

Meklon wrote:
Yes, I do remember the Empress giving a token offering, but that doesn't really answer the question as to how many Matari are actively and openly allowed to practice their own cultural traditions?


Probably as many as people are allowed to actively and openly practice their amarr faith in the Republic ?


For someone who has claimed time and again to be reasonable, youre really starting to sound just like every other Amarrian who finds fault only with others. Before condemning my house for being dirty, maybe make sure your own is clean?


I do not understand what is the issue ? Do you deny what I said above ? Did I make a mistake ?

Also, I would be glad if you could point me out what is... "not clean" in my own house. I may be unaware of it, and any feedback would be appreciated.


EDIT :

I think I finally managed to understand what made you react that way. Or I hope so.

It would seem that a lot of my criticisms since the war breakout have been aimed on the Republic, even if directly followed by the Amarr Empire - if you remember well, I had to argue with Amarr loyalists a lot when I was still a Holder, and I have several times written in the past what were my thought about slavery.

Is that correct ?
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