EVE General Discussion

It sounds like:
1. Denial of access of FW agents (and station services) is for the most part agreed upon.
2. Denial of access to FW stations (with ability to dock with your pod to get stuff out), is controversial.
3. Denial of access to all stations in a system is mostly opposed
4. Denial of docking rights to even pods is mostly opposed.

That's fair. Low hanging fruit is denial of access to FW agents/services.

Keep hammering CCP on using Victory points (and not LP) for occupancy upgrades and we're there. :)

And what's wrong with drama and intrigue? I thought this game basically is fueled by these. Or so they all told me when trying to get me hooked up on this. ;)



You guys are just bitter and afraid of change.

Same thing happened before with the Alliances FW change. And did all your doom scenarios happen?

Have some faith! Which I understand is hard to do after years of FW being neglected, but still.



I was under the impression that the Victory Points will be phased out completely and everything will be dealt with LP. If you get more of them - from kills, plexes, upgrade bonuses it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

Mine? No, but I reckon I severely underestimated the number of mission-bomber alts already in place .. there is simply no need to actually sign the various alliances up as they already have access to the two things of worth in FW - infinite ISK and cheap navy hulls.

My doom prediction for the plexing change was right on the money though .. or rather I didn't go gloomy enough. I'd anticipated systems dropping in 16-18 hours thus making a complete mockery of the whole thing when in reality it is half that (read: even MOAR! mockery) and fighting only really escalating in hub-pipes which was bang-on.

To be honest, I have all but given up on ever seeing/experiencing anything resembling the first month of FW when fights with 1-5 people were everywhere (read: EVERYBLOODYWHERE!) and practically every fight was the now elusive Good Fight™, we had interaction with CCP/RP events and a smattering of LP was enough to pay the bills (2-3x number of missions now to do that thanks to a crashed market).

As a younger player hopping into an ishkur it was great to be able to make 14 million isk/hour running L2/L3's (probably more now). And there's nothing stopping anybody from collecting L2/L3s and using them for pvp. The potential fights may be worth it, and if they don't come you can still make a little bit of isk/lp.

Not the slightest bit interested. I fight for the freedom of Minmatar, not some gang or greedy corp...


I very much like fast combat and being able to reship quickly. Pods don't fly all that slowly, nor do ships. Having to jump a few systems out and back in a new ship does not take long.

If I wanted to be as disingenuous as you're being, I could suggest there are other games you can play that provide much more in the way of instant gratification; EVE may not be a good fit for you if you can't stand taking more than 15 seconds recovering from a loss. But I try not to be quite so condescending when talking to someone just because we disagree on a point. You might want to try that... just a thought.

It was hinted at and I think the new video hints at it too... (faction warfare leaders will have cheaper medical clones, maybe access to an implant?)

but a faction winning should affect the LP cost of all other stores for everyone - that would be an incentive to get people to contribute to their factions war effort

if there are going to ui updates, it would be good to know how your faction is doing in the war even if you are in FW or not. sure it doesn't have to be all in your face if you don't care, but it would be cool to know.

ie want that navy issue ship? yea it cost 20% higher in LP because your boys aren't doing so good, get in there and fight if you want cheaper stuff

I get the feeling that you are more interested in driving up LP store prices for your farming alts than you are in proper mechanics. Is your corporation even involved in FW?

The principles are these:

1. Those who participate in the Occupancy War portion of FW should have the most influence over its outcome.

Use VP for system Upgrades.

2. Those who participate in the Occupancy War should profit most from FW missions - not mission running alts:

Use VP to increase rewards for FW missions.

The second point helps your stated cause as well since there would be fewer LP cashed in (since the proposal would be to reduce baseline FW mission payouts by X% and the add them back in by applying VP) by mission running alts.

I don't have farming alts. Recently I don't even bother to do missions at all, because they're too boring and I'd rather go and find someone to shoot at.

Also, of course I would like the LP store item prices on the market to be higher - after all, this means me doing even less missioning for the same isk outcome - and I'm all for doing less missioning, is that weird?

Yes, I very rarely plex as well, because right now it's *quite pointless* other than for getting someone to show up on the beacon. There's nothing saying I won't want to plex after the changes, because it will still generate pvp *and* there will finally be some real consequences.

Are you by any chance a plexer who is afraid that his hundreds/thousands/millions of VP will be deleted? I don't see any other reason to obsess over some *completely useless* points.



It's quite obvious that the people who are only interested in getting rich on FW will not care about throwing their precious LP points into some system upgrades, because why would they want to part with part of their profits?

I get you want to kill all the missioning alts in uncatchable stealth bombers, but the changes to the NPCs proposed by CCP (I assume this would also involve changing mission NPCs, not only plex ones, since they're mostly of the same type) would be enough for that, there's no reason to keep the attachement to VP.

And if someone still doesn't want to participate and only runs missions? Let them. Or even better, show them how to have fun pvping in thrashers.



Stop awarding VP as pointless "rewards", and instead reward plexes and kills with LP, so you don't even have to mission at all if you do enough of both. An extra profit from winning at PVP? Shocking.

It's not a problem, because they just won't.

By definition, the purpose of the mission running alt is obviously making a ton of isk. Why would they care?



Because to avoid it you have to either a) introduce some secondary point system which is completely unnecessary, or b) just ban them.

But yeah, if you really dislike them that much, I definitely see your point. ;) It's just I don't see the universal appeal of it. :)

Minor quibble. The VP point system has already been introduced. Anyways, CCP will implement what they implement. The real point is to give them some options to consider.