EVE General Discussion

Its been explained before that the mechanics of the election system make the CSM unrepresentative of the averge EVE player.

Its has also been explained that the structure of the CSM promotes biased input that not only favor particular types of gamers based on playstyle but even particular factions based on in game politics.

And now the CSM is just simply embarrassing.

Its really time to kill it.

or are they... da da da daaaaaaa

Oh look another pubbie alt that's bad at eve online and didn't get his choice elected (Xenuria). We were so close to dickgirls, guys!

Incorrect. CSM is representative of the largest power blocs of corporations/alliances which != "of those who vote". The voters from the largest power blocs have obvious self-interests to vote in support of those power blocs, not necessarily for the best interest of the game or the players.

Given the general maturity level within those power blocs, it's more like having a bunch of 2 year olds decide your future for you. Or worse, having the 2 year olds told what your future will be by their authority figures.

Of course, this is the same mechanic in "democratic" societies except much more complexity is involved. Why you would support either as "representative" government is a clear indication that your judgement is severely compromised.

In the real world, politicians can only be elected with lots of money involved. If someone who doesn't have access to billions of dollars to fund their campaign actually has a fantastic idea about governance that works then they're drowned out by puppets who haven't a clue about the most basic workings of governments who do have access to lots of money. But, even if those with access to the money did have 'the' idea that would work they're ideas become bastardized when they make their first promise in order to get the money. This of course leads back to the largest of power blocs in RL always having the keys to the kingdom.

It would be interesting if CCP would implement such mechanics, that in order to get the message out for candidates, that they would have to spend buttloads of isk doing so. I would be more satisfied about the situation knowing that dumbasses would spend so much to do it since this is a game and not RL and I couldn't care less about "elections" and "representation".

On the other hand, I do care about representation. But in order to have true representation, CCP would have to formalize the election mechanics in such a way that insure equal representation off all of the main sectors of Eve such as losec, nullsec, w-space & hisec.

But, that will never happen, so let CCP turn elections into a massive isk sink to fuel their own profitability through the purchase of plex to fund campaigns.

See you guys say the 0.0 power blocs are a bunch of kids, but had you any real experience you'd be blown away by the level of organisation that goes into them, the web services support alone makes some companies look amateur.

It's representative of which large alliances have the most organized and mobilized voting engine.

There are lots of goons, and many goons have multiple accounts. All goons vote for Mittani, and all their accounts vote for him.

On the other hand, there are FAR more carebears. The carebears either don't vote because they have no interest in politics and they just log in every now and then to play a game with spaceships, or they do vote, but being from multiple different corps and alliances, they are unable to organize as effectively.

Either way, it's clear that the CSM has strayed from its purpose. Originally it was to allow player input. Now it's a political tool to allow certain alliances to push their agenda.

As the CSM is the only democraticly elected governing body in Eve, it's clear we need a system of checks and balances worked out. I propose that another council be added that would truly represent the eve population, and any agenda the CSM approves or mandates would require this second body's approval. To enable fair and true representation on this second body- let's call it the Galactic Legislature of Pilots, it's members would be selected by lottery, and chaired by CCP Hilmar. All pilots who have logged into High Sec in the last 6 months would be eligible. The GLOP would be responsible for meeting the week following the CSM meetings and would approve or amend any recommendations made by the CSM. Once a year both bodies would meet in a joint session and issue a state of the galaxy report that lists the outcome of the mudwrestling match between Chribba and the Mittani.

Yeah, I got nowhere to go with this...........


I love it, but it's just a game, fellas.

So people who are in large alliances shouldn't have their votes counted?

Sigh...



It's YOUR, not THE

If I just want to play a game with space ships I don't even know who Mittani or any of these candidates are or what they represent.

Goons have their decisions made for them. Mittani. XXDEATHXX<3's have their decision made for them: XXDEATH. Reds have their decisions made for them. That guy who's their leader.

Carebears have.... that guy that we heard other carebears talking about. Oh yeah, he seems like a good guy. I'll vote for him. For most people, internet spaceship presidents and congressmen isn't an important enough topic to research in any depth.

That doesn't mean I want to have my game experience needlessly altered to fit someone else's agenda.