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A Question About PvP

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Draconis Graves
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-25 10:26:30 UTC
Hello all,

I've just subscribed to EVE and the Fanfest has me pumped. I'm currently in queue for EVE University and anxious to learn the ropes and move toward PvP. My only problem is...I have these veteran friends who tell me small-scale PvP is non-existent and blob warfare will be my eventual experience. This troubles me, as I'm only interested in small gangs(2-10 people?) or solo.

Instead of taking their word for it, I thought I would come in the forum and ask the community. Is it viable to seek an endgame solely centered around this form of PvP? Will I find myself wandering space for hours with no contact or fighting? I would appreciate any accurate information about this. Thank you ahead of time.

Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#2 - 2012-03-25 10:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Chal0ner
Draconis Graves wrote:
Is it viable to seek an endgame solely centered around this form of PvP? Will I find myself wandering space for hours with no contact or fighting?


Endgame? There's an endgame in EVE?

Anyway, blobs* are there for sure. Saying that small (-mid) scale roaming is dead is however completely wrong. There's lots of it going on all over you just need to join the right group. And while solo pvp is hard, it can definately be done.

* Disclaimer: having lived in null exclusively for the last 2 years my definition of "blob" might differ from empire dwellers.
gfldex
#3 - 2012-03-25 10:48:01 UTC
Draconis Graves wrote:
Will I find myself wandering space for hours with no contact or fighting? I would appreciate any accurate information about this.


Yes, but you will have a lot less fights then others.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

ColumnaLcis
Pretzel Logic.
#4 - 2012-03-25 11:08:44 UTC
I can say that small gang warfare is alive in Eve. There are many who do this everyday they login. Finding the right group to do it with is more of a problem. I find it by doing training and merc work with Noir. Many find it in Red vs Blue or Agony Unleashed. For empire wars The 0rphanage comes to mind. Check out Crime and Punishment or the recruitment section of the forums for more. Good Luck and have fun.

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Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-25 16:02:57 UTC
the blobs mainly exist within nullsec warfare where its easier to to tell 300 pilots to shot targets A B and C and then swap to the next group of unfortunate pilots rather then to give individual instructions to all of them. lowsec corps and highsec merc corps are where you will find the small fleets of 20 pilots and less that you are looking for. i myself prefer the smaller gang warfare as individual pilot skill and actions impact the battle in big ways that just are not possible when in a large fleet, because face it when 300 pilots turn around and shoot your battlecruiser it doesn't mater how good of a pilot you are.

thats the reason that 2 out of my last 3 corps have been merc corps. merc corps tend to run small organized fleets with a set strategy and often rely on the strategic use of logistics cruiser and e-war ships to allow them to fight fleets that outnumber them by what is often times pretty big margin, its also not uncommon to see multiple merc corps join forces for a short time to take on a larger target when needed. this leads to every fleet members ship setup, experience, and choices in battle having a significant impact on the outcome of the fight and results in a more enjoyable combat experience in my opinion. of course your goal as a merc corp is to turn a profit in pvp by gaining enough contracts to sustain the cost of war, as a result killboard stats are important if you want to join one as merc corps rely on their killboard looking go as nobody is going to hire a group that doesn't show results.

you tend to see a mix of newer pilots looking to get into some good organized pvp while being able to stay in highsec as they learn the game, as well as veteran pilots who have left nullsec warfare to get away from the blobs.
Liam Mirren
#6 - 2012-03-25 17:07:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Draconis Graves wrote:
Hello all,

I've just subscribed to EVE and the Fanfest has me pumped. I'm currently in queue for EVE University and anxious to learn the ropes and move toward PvP. My only problem is...I have these veteran friends who tell me small-scale PvP is non-existent and blob warfare will be my eventual experience. This troubles me, as I'm only interested in small gangs(2-10 people?) or solo.

Instead of taking their word for it, I thought I would come in the forum and ask the community. Is it viable to seek an endgame solely centered around this form of PvP? Will I find myself wandering space for hours with no contact or fighting? I would appreciate any accurate information about this. Thank you ahead of time.



The reason they tell you that is because they're in a blob, low pilot skill entity. I respect EVE- Uni's efforts but I dislike their methods because of exactly this, they're a production plant and all they churn out is blobbing carebears. Small scale PVP is just fine, even solo works fine to an extend but it requires actual knowledge and experience, something a blobber/carebear (like Uni) won't have and because of that they tell you it doesn't exist.

Thing is ofcourse that if you fly solo while other people may choose not to you'll run into death traps a lot, but instead of going "see, all just blobs all you can do is die" you could go "ok, there's a challenge, lets see if I can outsmart them". Check out this youtube channel, showing you folks who solo in 0.0, you'll realise that the blobbing idiots who told you this nonsense are full of **** (and part of the problem).

And yes, you can roam for ages and not find (suitable) targets but then you could be in a 500 man fleet, sitting at a POS for 4 hours before the FC tells you to jump, target and shoot, a blob where you personal skills are effectively useless as you're just a number. Some people like being a number (mostly because it means they can hide in the pack and don't actually have to put in effort to become knowledgeable and perform, and because it means they don't have to make decisions), others like to have a "test of skills" (which in EVE is not about SP btw). Don't ask blobbers or carebears (which generally is the same thing) how solo/small gang pvp works, they don't know :)

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#7 - 2012-03-25 17:12:27 UTC
Get into a highsec war corp. You'll never have to fight more than 20 people at once.
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#8 - 2012-03-25 17:16:37 UTC
Your engagment in a PvP fight will undoubtably be higher in smaller organized fleets than in the 300+ SOV battles.

That said, those big blob fights can be epic. The big fights are often the result of weeks of work, setting up the fight, trucking scouts and equipment onto the battlefield, dancing fleets around into the position to fight etc.

Everyone should at least try SOV warfare once. Being a part of the Player driven storylines out there can be a neat experience.

Some battles will suck, others will make you subscribe for another year.
Abbadon21
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#9 - 2012-03-25 17:21:52 UTC
Quote:
I have these veteran friends who tell me small-scale PvP is non-existent and blob warfare will be my eventual experience


That statement upsets me...

Solo and Small Gang PVP are still very much a part of EVE. It's what I spend all my EVE time doing

Solo and Small Gang is the best part of EVE and incredibly fun. I go out almost every day solo and take on the "blobs" and pull kills off them.

You have to know how to do it, but even relatively new players can do solo. There are "kiddie pools" in eve that allow you to get experience before doing the really hard stuff

My website ( http://www.EVEProGuides.com ) and all the videos I've posted to YouTube teach how to do Solo PVP at a level that is very accessible to almost all of EVE players AND once you learn solo small gang PVP comes naturally.

No matter what you do, it takes effort and time to get good at it. You have to invest time into learning and practicing, but the reward is worth it.

Learn How PRO Players Make Billions of ISK and Dominate PVP: http://www.EVEProGuides.com

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2012-03-25 18:05:56 UTC
Small scale pvp is definitely not dead I used to live in providence and with NRDS in place there certainly isn't a shortage of small scale PvP.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-26 13:25:56 UTC
There is alot of PVP for the little guy.

You just need to look around. EVE-Uni is basicly the worst place you can choose to learn pvp. They may be great and teaching you the game, but ignore everything they teach you about PVP.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-03-26 17:09:23 UTC
The definitions of "small gang", "blob", "large fleet", etc.

In FW space (where I reside), "small gang" means 2-10 people maximum, "blob" means 10-25-ish, and "large fleet" is anything above that that is an organized fleet.

In my old 0.0 alliance, "small gang" means 5-20 people, "blob" means 20-50 or so, "fleet" is anything above that, and "large fleet" is usually a combination of multiple fleets from multiple alliances.

As far as I can tell, in CFC "small gang" can be as many as 50-60 people, with "blob" sometimes being 100+ people, and "fleet" being 300+ or more.

Keeping those in mind, and keeping in mind that all that is just ballparking anyway, there is "small gang" PvP available everywhere. Maybe not your definition of "small gang", but some definition, yes.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#13 - 2012-03-27 04:22:10 UTC
Lowsec and NPC-owned 0.0 are pretty much entirely solo and small-gang (10ish members) operations. I mean, there are exceptions, but if you fly about at random that's most of what you run into.
Shinae Rawlinn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-03-27 10:49:59 UTC
Small gang roaming starts with you pretty much.
Who's to stop you from trying your luck in some inexpensive ships and seeing how you end up?

Plenty of video's in My Eve that will show you small gang/solo pvp is very much alive.
I myself am training (as new as i am) towards a fully T2 fitted T2 frigate and when I get there, i should have enough money to afford myself a couple.

Hell yeah im going into lowsec to cause some trouble, or to have trouble find me, fraps active in the background.