EVE General Discussion

what a comeback m8

Then I suppose it doesn't count. So for all intents you know nothing about incursioning with goons.

Then there's the handholding for the people who are new to Incursions and scared of things that shoot back at them, continually arranging replacements for people who are leaving in two or three sites, keeping eyes on D-scan to watch for gank fleets, ensuring the site is clear before activating the gate, keeping intel up on how many folks are in the other assault/vanguard systems, coping with the inevitable drama from people who feel they aren't getting enough attention, arguments about whether two scimis is better than two 5/1 basis, yadda yadda.

Of course if you have a collection of friends who share the same interests as you, the workload becomes much lower. Kick out the drama queen (unless he's actually entertaining), focus on trimming down the completion times as much as possible. Once again proving that the most valuable asset in this game is friends you can trust.

quiet worm

i don't understand aspie, sorry

[quote=Andski][quote=Fronkfurter McSheebleton]Relatively speaking, incursions are quite risky compared to other forms of pve. Players lose several billion isk worth of ships a day in them, not counting the ones that get ganked. Comparatively, how much do you folks think is lost running missions, exploring, or mining? (again, not counting ganks...[/quote

The fact that you idiots lose your pimped Nightmares to rats does not make them substantially riskier than any other form of PvE. The fact that pubbies choose to invest idiotic amounts of ISK into their incursion ships, an investment that will take ages to recoup, does not make them risky

If I cynojammed a system, dropped 200km of T2 large bubbles on all the gates, offlined the jump bridge to keep out awoxers and managed to lose an untanked faction-fit AFK ratting carrier to rats, that wouldn't make ratting in closed-off systems risky by any means. It'd just make me an idiot.[/quote
I don't appreciate being lumped in with that crowd...only pirate ship I've ever owned is a daredevil. [:ugh:

Losing a ship does happen. Losing in a VG site because of anything that isn't DCing logi is plain dumb, but make no mistake, even a well-tanked battleship will die in seconds to most of the sites. It's not like the anoms you nullbears can run solo in your ratting carriers with 8-figure price tags. In an HQ or assault, for example, if you miss your broadcast by even a few seconds you're in danger of popping. Logis sometimes get alpha'd, even...especially in mom sites. No, it's not as risky as running around in null...but the pve content itself is more dangerous than any other in eve, and requires a LOT more coordination than anything but wormholes

Also, the expensive fits people use in vanguards aren't to make more isk/hr, they're to win sites. VGs are crowded. However, the most you typically see is faction damage mods, sebos, and webbers, maybe a tank mod or two....It's not like they're all uber rich carebears who run these things 23/7...that's the exception, not the rule.

Support my insurance proposal and you won't have to worry about catastrophic loss.

Minor loss...now that's different and I would say HTFU.

The point is that once, when Eve was truly a sandbox, high level PvE and PvP were inseparable. Now it just smacks of instancing and ISK grinding.

Where once you were competing against other players, attempting to avoid their attempts to kill you and make ISK regardless, now there are vast low-value PvP zones (low and null) and PvE high sec raids. It's just instancing dressed up pretty and marketed as "sandbox" style game play. It is not.

For individual players the only high profit low/null sec activity that competes with incursions is exploration, and that is instanced too. Any competent explorer sticks an alt on the acceleration gate, has ECM drones and moves around by cyno or in a nulli T3. There is no risk there either.

PvE has gone down hill in this game purely because now it is no longer integrated with PvP, the two primary elements of Eve are slowly being separated and personally I think it makes PvE one hell of a lot more boring. NPCs are simply not interesting, nor are they a challenge.

I want PvE to be difficult again

I was going to post a link to a youtube vid of Bruce Springsteen singing "Glory Days", but I am not sure if you would have gotten the reference.

There was never a time when PVE and PVP were inseperable.

For individual players incursions are worth less than L3 missions.

Nobody stops you from fitting for PVP while doing PVE content in places where people want to shoot you.

Mittins was just trolling.

Anyone with half a brain knows that all risk is player supplied.

If any area has little risk, it is because the players are unwilling to provide it. It does not matter what the system security number is.