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Follow up! Thread about kid killed in Florida.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-03-26 07:22:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
I love it when funny talking foreigners fall under the delusion that we value their opinions about our rights. Lol

Anyway, back to the topic!

Was Trayvon Martin a drug dealer?

Seems like a friend of Saint Trayvon - who it turns out wore a classy gold grill and was all tatted up, I mean can't imagine why anyone would think he's a thug - wanted to buy some sort of plantlife from the world's most innocent 17 year old / on-call herbal specialist. Well, I'm sure it was just an azalia.

And one of his friends said he assaulted a bus driver but I'm betting the future first-black-pope was just trying to exorcise a demon from the driver with his fist. And he was supended from school for 10 days for "unauthorized access" - he was probably looking for Jesus in a locked room.

And that friend of his "throwing gang signs" - that guy's just deaf and the sign means Jesus loves you.
SpaceSquirrels
#102 - 2012-03-26 13:37:38 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSquirrels
^

Doesn't change what happened to him in that situation. Also ****** up people trying to root up dirt on a kid armed with Doritos, and a cell phone. (That's also a blog btw who then brings up that he might have had tattoos, (And ZOMG a fake GRILL) and attempts to bring up the characteristics of the people he may have known.) Listen I know some **** bags too. Doesn't me via prozy I suddenly am apt to follow in their foot steps. And then "ZOMG kid got in trouble at school!" Once again not relevant to walking home with skittles, and getting shot...Also who the **** never got in trouble at school as a boy between the ages 12-18? If you didn't well then you're probably a joyless pussy.


Also very beckian. "Hey im just asking a question?"

Well then I should ask was Zimmerman actually a Fidel Castro sympathizer, and did he approve of Hugo Chavez?

"Were not sure, but this one guy says me might be/have been."

How is it relevant? It isn't it has no bearing on the actions of either parties? Furthermore bringing up that blog literally makes you look.... ******* ignorant. That's coming from am uber white guy too. Then again you did say earlier that hooded sweatshirt in the middle of the rain == thug. May I ask your residence, and background sir?

It seems relevant to the case now.

Never mind I take it back character assaults are fun.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#103 - 2012-03-26 15:13:28 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
I love it when funny talking foreigners fall under the delusion that we value their opinions about our rights. Lol


Hint: I'm not a foreigner.

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Anyway, back to the topic!


Yes, back to the topic. Let's see what your link has to say. Do we notice any significant words here?

Still, Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. “He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details. Before that, Trayvon attended Miami Carol City High School near his mother’s home in Miami Gardens.

See that part about "nonviolent"?

Oh, and what about those tattoos?

This one was on his wrist, apparently of his mother’s name.

Terrifying. I know I'd be reaching for my gun if I saw someone with a tattoo of their mother's name.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#104 - 2012-03-26 16:37:31 UTC
What the **** happened to this thread?

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

Selinate
#105 - 2012-03-26 18:06:59 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
What the **** happened to this thread?


White guy murders black kid, conservatives support white guy, political argument ensues.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#106 - 2012-03-26 18:08:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I see that Ruger ran out of guns to sell. This is good news and I will continue to freely train anybody who asks.

And now that I know that doing so bothers some people around here, I will be doing it more.

I just purchased a case of factory load 9mm for my girlfriend, who is going to Frontsite this spring (the women around me must know how to use the gun when they pick it up from the pool of my blood, or get their own) . It was just under 300 bucks for a 1000 rounds. Long ago a case of 1000 9mm cost around $120. Most of the time I make my own ammo, even the bullets, and the material cost for powder primers and bullets runs around $135 for the same caliber. When I cast my own bullets from wheel weights the cost is around $50. Yes, lead! OMG Lead!!!!1!!!! All those yuppies fearing lead - while slurping the flouride, popping flouride-based anti-depressants, and eating food having preservatives (sodium chloride is not real salt) and coloring (titanium dioxide-based) - would pee themselves if they saw me with my huge lead cauldron.

(efforts by said yuppies, greeniacs, and latte-slurping urbanites to make lead a "controlled substance" continue to fail and a range I used to belong to sold tons of it to a Russian scrap dealer for cash)

Once more, as in the game, I love griefing people in RL NOT by doing them harm, but by being who and what I am and letting other people who can't stand that sit there and be bothered by it. I get as much satisfaction bothering the hand-wringers among us as I do taking down a Sansha mom and watching the incursion farmers gripe over a legitimate game mechanic and war target.

Meanwhile, I see ZImmerman is still white and more about this incident is coming out as an entire community in the USA proves once more that they are only angry about something when the media wants them to be, and totally failing at being angry over things they should be.

Oh well.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#107 - 2012-03-26 18:29:54 UTC
I try to refrain from taking lessons from those who think they'll be effective against several dozen tactical personnel who cut power and throw tear gas.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#108 - 2012-03-26 18:30:41 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I see that Ruger ran out of guns to sell. This is good news and I will continue to freely train anybody who asks.


That's nice. I'm glad that capitalism is working properly and someone is making good profits off your LARPing.

Just one question: have the makers of foam balls sold out, or can I still buy MAGIC MISSILES?

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It was just under 300 bucks for a 1000 rounds. Long ago a case of 1000 9mm cost around $120.


So, err, what exactly is your point? Inflation exists?

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All those yuppies fearing lead - while slurping the flouride, popping flouride-based anti-depressants, and eating food having preservatives (sodium chloride is not real salt) and coloring (titanium dioxide-based) - would pee themselves if they saw me with my huge lead cauldron.


Hint for the clueless: not all elements are equally bad, and not all compounds of an element are equally bad. The so-called "fear" of lead has nothing to do with irrational panic, and everything to do with the fact that lead poisoning is a very real problem and lead-based products can be very dangerous if used improperly.

You might want to read http://www.utexas.edu/safety/ehs/msds/lead.html , or any of the other search results on the subject of lead and gun ranges.

PS: if NaCl is not "real" salt, then what exactly is "real" salt made of.

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(efforts by said yuppies, greeniacs, and latte-slurping urbanites to make lead a "controlled substance" continue to fail and a range I used to belong to sold tons of it to a Russian scrap dealer for cash)


Yeah, how dare they insist that people who use toxic heavy metals actually take reasonable safety measures. Lead is related to our sacred guns, and therefore can not be regulated!


You know, with that attitude you don't have to worry about being killed by the government, you'll die of self-inflicted lead poisoning long before that point.


FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#109 - 2012-03-26 20:17:47 UTC
So it's sounding more and more like Zimmerman fired in self defense. The officer on the scene said that Zimmerman had been in an altercation and appeared to have been on his back in the dirt. An eye witness said he saw Trayvon standing over Zimmerman at one point. I'm sure there will be plenty of stupidity no matter how this ends up, but it sounds to me like Zimmerman will rightfully walk when it's all over.

He never should have gotten out of his vehicle. He created the scenario in which he felt the need to shoot the boy. It was reckless and he's going to forever be that guy. That decision to play cop is probably going to affect the rest of his life.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-03-26 21:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Hint: I'm not a foreigner


That was directed at Shadowsword.


Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin

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According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f---,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.

Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry, which was mostly women’s rings and earrings, belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation.

“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by Miami-Dade Schools Police.

That suspension was followed four months later by another one, in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it, the boy’s family’s attorney has confirmed. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”


So he was likely stealing and using, and if you believe his friend, possibly even dealing drugs. And according to Zimmerman he was casing houses in the neighborhood, which is now sounding more and more likely given Martin's behavior.

And we don't know he hasn't been violent. One of his family members did allude to him assaulting a bus driver but there hasn't been anything else reported on it yet. If it happened, you can bet we will so you probably shouldn't lean too much on the non-violent offender defense.

By the way, do you know how many people in prison have their mother's name tattooed on them? Or crosses, or the Virgin Mary? Getting tatted up, wearing fake grills, trying to look and act gangsta and then complaining that people look at you suspiciously is really the height of self victimization. How you present yourself to the world is how the world will perceive you.

You turn down a street and on one side there's a group of wiggas with droopy pants and hoods on, and on the other side there's a group of Nation of Islam members with suits on, which side are you gonna walk on? Me? I'll take my chances with the NOI crew even knowing their politics. They aren't likely to mug or harass you. A pack of wanna-be thugs might.

None of this is about race, it's about thug culture. I think Martin was well entrenched into it. I don't think he was a wanna-be, either. I think he was one, and he died like one.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2012-03-26 21:38:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Buck Futz
The sole contributing factor to the Negro getting shot - was because he physically attacked Zimmerman.

Whatever else Zimmerman did or didn't do - none of it matters because a physical attack against his person was not justified.

Zimmerman could have followed him, called him names, flipped him off, armed himself, whatever - its all meaningless excuses. It all went out the window when Treyvon committed aggravated assault on another person.

And yes, lethal force is justified in cases of aggravated assault.

In short, the Negro decided to go 'thug life' and it didn't work out like it was supposed to, because Zimmerman refused to be a victim and dropped him.

Zimmerman should not only walk, but be commended for disposing of a ticking timebomb and making the world a better place. With luck, more laws like these are passed and violent, aggressive scumbags like Treyvon will be disposed of, one cartridge at a time.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#112 - 2012-03-26 21:44:25 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
So it's sounding more and more like Zimmerman fired in self defense. The officer on the scene said that Zimmerman had been in an altercation and appeared to have been on his back in the dirt. An eye witness said he saw Trayvon standing over Zimmerman at one point.


The fact that there was a fight doesn't prove anything, because it matters HOW the fight happened.

If Zimmerman provoked the fight (by attempting to stop Martin from "escaping", etc) without justification, it is not self defense.

If both of them got into an argument and Zimmerman escalated to a fight then it is not self defense.

If Martin attacked unprovoked then it is legally self defense, though ethically questionable whether deadly force was actually necessary.

And in any case, it's questionable whether the "in serious danger" requirement for self defense was met. Zimmerman's injuries were so minor that he didn't bother getting any medical treatment for them, so it's pretty hard to believe that his life was in danger. It's plausible that Martin was going for his gun and left him no choice, but it's also very plausible that Zimmerman simply reacted out of anger and escalated to deadly force without justification.

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He never should have gotten out of his vehicle. He created the scenario in which he felt the need to shoot the boy. It was reckless and he's going to forever be that guy. That decision to play cop is probably going to affect the rest of his life.


This is exactly the point. Zimmerman's claim to self defense is seriously undermined by the fact that he had no business being in the situation in the first place.


Jada Maroo wrote:
By the way, do you know how many people in prison have their mother's name tattooed on them? Or crosses, or the Virgin Mary?


Do you know how many people in general have tattoos? Huge numbers of them. This isn't the 1950s anymore, the vast majority of people who have tattoos are not violent criminals.

And whatever Martin's past might be, it matters what his actions were that night. We have yet to see anything even close to a pattern of violent behavior that would make it plausible for him to assault Zimmerman completely unprovoked, and to do it aggressively enough that Zimmerman would have a legitimate belief that his life was in danger.

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None of this is about race, it's about thug culture. I think Martin was well entrentched into it. I don't think he was a wanna-be, either. I think he was one, and he died like one.


Of course it's about race, whether or not Zimmerman had racist motives. Do you really think that if Zimmerman had been black and Martin had been white that Zimmerman wouldn't even have been arrested and charged? Of course not.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#113 - 2012-03-26 21:55:12 UTC
Buck Futz wrote:
the Negro


Please don't take my side using archaic words like that. It was the norm in the sixties, but so was segregation. "Black" is generally acceptable by all parties.

Buck Futz wrote:
Whatever else Zimmerman did or didn't do - none of it matters because a physical attack against his person was not justified.

Zimmerman could have followed him, called him names, flipped him off, armed himself, whatever - its all meaningless excuses. It all went out the window when Treyvon committed aggravated assault on another person.


If you're walking home at night and a guy first follows you in his vehicle, makes a phone call, then gets out and approaches you on foot...at what point are you going to feel threatened? Giving Trayvan the benefit of the doubt here, it's entirely possible HE believed he was in danger first and preemptively jumped the guy who was suspiciously following him. It's not the right course of action, but it does make a certain kind of sense. I'm of the mind that both individuals believed they were being threatened when they escalated things.

Zimmerman should never have put himself into position to have a confrontation. It was irresponsible and his entire family is going to pay the price, probably for quite some time.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2012-03-26 21:55:26 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
He never should have gotten out of his vehicle. He created the scenario in which he felt the need to shoot the boy. It was reckless and he's going to forever be that guy. That decision to play cop is probably going to affect the rest of his life.


Getting out of the vehicle was stupid. That's probably the one big thing about Zimmerman's actions that stands out. It really couldn't be clearer to me why he was rejected for law enforcement. He wouldn't be hired for private armed security either - well, I wouldn't hire him. There's a personality type that's a little too involved, a little too nosy, a little to wanna-be good guy that should be immediately washed out. Coincidentally or not, those guys are never in very good physical condition, and almost never have a military background. I know them immediately when I see them. I do employment itnerviews for an armed security company, and I'd say 90% of the time I can disqualify at first glance without them saying anything, and as far as I can remember 100% of the time my instincts are confirmed with the first few words out of their mouths.

Had Zimmerman walked in I would have given him one of my "Hello, we have you on file, goodbye *Plunk in the trash*"" interviews. Lol
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#115 - 2012-03-26 21:57:05 UTC
Buck Futz wrote:
Whatever else Zimmerman did or didn't do - none of it matters because a physical attack against his person was not justified.


When the list of things Zimmerman "did or didn't do" includes things like "attempting to illegally restrain Martin and prevent him from 'escaping'", then yes, it does matter.

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Zimmerman could have followed him, called him names, flipped him off, armed himself, whatever - its all meaningless excuses. It all went out the window when Treyvon committed aggravated assault on another person.


The law disagrees with you. You will (probably) still be charged with a crime, but there is massive precedent for recognizing mitigating circumstances like that. Both legally and ethically there is a huge difference between unprovoked assault and

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And yes, lethal force is justified in cases of aggravated assault.


You really are a moron. Let's spend a few seconds looking up the definition of aggravated assault.

Florida State Law wrote:
784.021 Aggravated assault.—
(1) An “aggravated assault” is an assault:
(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or
(b) With an intent to commit a felony.
(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree,


Was there a deadly weapon? No.

Was there an intent to commit a felony? No.

Therefore it was not aggravated assault even if you believe Zimmerman's story.

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Zimmerman should not only walk, but be commended for disposing of a ticking timebomb and making the world a better place. With luck, more laws like these are passed and violent, aggressive scumbags like Treyvon will be disposed of, one cartridge at a time.


Congratulations, at least you're honest about the fact that you're a sociopath.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#116 - 2012-03-26 21:58:26 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
And in any case, it's questionable whether the "in serious danger" requirement for self defense was met. Zimmerman's injuries were so minor that he didn't bother getting any medical treatment for them, so it's pretty hard to believe that his life was in danger. It's plausible that Martin was going for his gun and left him no choice, but it's also very plausible that Zimmerman simply reacted out of anger and escalated to deadly force without justification.


There was a case in Shreveport, LA a few years back where a kid pulled a cell phone from his back pocket and was gripping it like a gun. He was shot to death by cops. He was harmless, but they were acting in self defense. It's possible that Zimmerman's perception of the situation and the reality were two completely different things. He probably did believe his life was in danger, even if it wasn't.

Merin Ryskin wrote:
Zimmerman's claim to self defense is seriously undermined by the fact that he had no business being in the situation in the first place.

There's currently a lot of missing information in what I've read on the case. I've yet to see anything concrete on what happened between Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle and Martin knocking him to the ground. I think that information is going to be key to the case. Unfortunately, it may come down to just Zimmerman's testimony.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-03-26 22:05:37 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:


Do you know how many people in general have tattoos? Huge numbers of them. This isn't the 1950s anymore, the vast majority of people who have tattoos are not violent criminals.

And whatever Martin's past might be, it matters what his actions were that night. We have yet to see anything even close to a pattern of violent behavior that would make it plausible for him to assault Zimmerman completely unprovoked, and to do it aggressively enough that Zimmerman would have a legitimate belief that his life was in danger.


Considering how many assaults go unreported and unpunished there could be a pattern you don't know about. And I doubt Zimmerman struck his own head from behind, threw himself on the ground, and punched himself in the face. So if we're gonna go with you "what matters is what happened this night" approach, well, Martin was violent according to the police.

I know what you're going to say - ZImmerman started it, Trayvon was scared and responded. Sorry, but the proper response to being followed still is not to sneak up on the person and club them on the back of the head.

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Of course it's about race, whether or not Zimmerman had racist motives. Do you really think that if Zimmerman had been black and Martin had been white that Zimmerman wouldn't even have been arrested and charged? Of course not.


Given the same set of facts - that Zimemrman was still the head of the Neighborhood Watch and that the Martin was still lurking around like a hoodlem - yes. Even more so. Anyone who wears a grill should be put down - but especially white kids.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#118 - 2012-03-26 22:19:04 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I see that Ruger ran out of guns to sell. This is good news and I will continue to freely train anybody who asks.


That's nice. I'm glad that capitalism is working properly and someone is making good profits off your LARPing.

Just one question: have the makers of foam balls sold out, or can I still buy MAGIC MISSILES?

Quote:
It was just under 300 bucks for a 1000 rounds. Long ago a case of 1000 9mm cost around $120.


So, err, what exactly is your point? Inflation exists?

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All those yuppies fearing lead - while slurping the flouride, popping flouride-based anti-depressants, and eating food having preservatives (sodium chloride is not real salt) and coloring (titanium dioxide-based) - would pee themselves if they saw me with my huge lead cauldron.


Hint for the clueless: not all elements are equally bad, and not all compounds of an element are equally bad. The so-called "fear" of lead has nothing to do with irrational panic, and everything to do with the fact that lead poisoning is a very real problem and lead-based products can be very dangerous if used improperly.

You might want to read http://www.utexas.edu/safety/ehs/msds/lead.html , or any of the other search results on the subject of lead and gun ranges.

PS: if NaCl is not "real" salt, then what exactly is "real" salt made of.

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(efforts by said yuppies, greeniacs, and latte-slurping urbanites to make lead a "controlled substance" continue to fail and a range I used to belong to sold tons of it to a Russian scrap dealer for cash)


Yeah, how dare they insist that people who use toxic heavy metals actually take reasonable safety measures. Lead is related to our sacred guns, and therefore can not be regulated!


You know, with that attitude you don't have to worry about being killed by the government, you'll die of self-inflicted lead poisoning long before that point.






Nyah nyah. Nothing changed. But I love the site of the fat soccermom, kid suckling on that high fructose drink, on the way to early diabetes, she's all fat as heck because of the mercury in the vaccines that caused the autoimmune response and destroyed her metabolism, and she's saying "I don't want that stuff in our bodies". Makes me want to gank hulks. That site helps me understand why the world has seen so much death brought on by nations that had elections and were considered "democratic".

This is why in Montana, where there is an average of 25 guns per household, when they see a car with California, Washington, or Oregon tags, they slash the tires and break out the windows. It's not something I would do or condone, but whenever I think about it, I cannot totally condemn it. Democracy was weaponized by ignorance. They are desperate.

They are keeping people like you away.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#119 - 2012-03-26 22:22:20 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
I know what you're going to say - ZImmerman started it, Trayvon was scared and responded. Sorry, but the proper response to being followed still is not to sneak up on the person and club them on the back of the head.


Where do you get this bizarre idea that there was any sneaking involved? Even Zimmerman himself says that there was a direct confrontation:

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Mr Zimmerman told police that he had been walking back to his car when Trayvon challenged him and then punched him on the nose.


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Given the same set of facts - that Zimemrman was still the head of the Neighborhood Watch and that the Martin was still lurking around like a hoodlem - yes. Even more so. Anyone who wears a grill should be put down - but especially white kids.


That might be the ideal, but let's be realistic here. If it had been a black "neighborhood watch captain" shooting an unarmed white kid there's no way that the shooter wouldn't even have been arrested.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#120 - 2012-03-26 22:25:15 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
she's all fat as heck because of the mercury in the vaccines that caused the autoimmune response and destroyed her metabolism

That's the first I've heard of that. Vaccines made us fat now? I finally have a scapegoat beyond my lack of willpower! Thank you SO much! It's not my fault, it's the pharmaceutical companies and their evil vaccines.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.