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Complete waste of time.

Its cheaper to use invention.


Your doing it wrong.

We don't need more t2 bpo's....

If anything, just balance invention such that the ME and PE levels of the original BPC are transfered to the invented t2 BPC, albeit with a penalty.... (for example, maybe the invented BPC's ME & PE levels retain 0-5% of the original BPC's ME/PE Levels... with different decryptors offering different percentage levels).

Consumable items are much better for this game than static items, hence BPC's are much better than BPO's...

T2 BPOs were removed for a reason. I suggest you find out that that reason is before deciding to undo it.

Also, those T2 BPO holders, for the most part, are still trying to break even on the cost of actually getting it. Last I heard it took at least 5 years before you actually hit the break even point.

I understand you’re trying to balance manufacturing; however I just don’t think this is the right way to do it. Truth be told, there are several reasons t2 manufacturing has such a low profit margin. T2 BPO holders always take the ire, as they can always produce items using fewer materials, but there are other ways that t2 markets have been cornered. Many people have cheap sources of moongoo materials, which is why they can produce items far more cheaply than the random indy corp. Other people have very cheap sources of minerals…. These are just as important at creating highly profitable t2 items as the t2 BPOs (and more-so in many cases).

Here is the MAJOR problem with your suggestion: You crash the T2 BPO market....
--While you feel like t2 BPO's give an unfair advantage to those with them, we are no longer in the environment were people came upon their T2 BPO's by chance. It has been FIVE years since the lottery ended, and the majority of holders have them as investments. Your suggestion doesn't slap the face of some lucky veterans; rather it castrates the industrious players that have spent years accruing their massive wealth. Your belief that most players that have T2 BPO’s do so because they won them in a lottery is just plain wrong. Most players that have T2 BPO’s do so because they built a financial empire, and bought them with their hard-earned isk. These are the players you’re ******* over, and frankly, they don’t deserve it!!

If you bothered to examine my counter idea, you’d see that it helps balance the ME/PE discrepencies between inventors and BPO holders, yet the BPO holder still retains a significant advantage (and hence value). It gives a major boost to exploration, and it rewards people for taking the time to get high ME/PE levels on their t1 BPO’s (which straight up boosts POS research). Your suggestion adds very little to the economy, relies on interacting with annoying NPC agents, and is very short sighted in whom it hurts…

I know countless T2 Invetors....and everyone of them tells me T2 BPO's = WASTE OF TIME


What the heck is driving this?

Well ok lets refrace abit what I said. The market is not stupid and I know some (a small portion) make their living out from it but it's getting old it needs a change. Plus I want more content into the game like pvp players want new ships I just want more industrial content.

And what bad is there in static items? Someone has them and someone don't. It's all about balancing anyways.

The idea is to increase player content in the game. And why not faction bpo's also. As an idustrialist I would love to have one, it would make my life easier when I don't need to pay insane amounts if isks to alliances to get something I want to do.

And also the dev blog also said: Looking forward, perhaps the solution is simply stopping this original work and allowing reserarching of the copies from invention to make the them efficient after the invention process? Perhaps Reverse Engineering should be the mechanism to allow you to further increase the runs of an Invented copy at the cost of less efficiency?. You can think that also as lets make bpcs researchable and that would also crash the tech 2 bpo market you seem so keen to keep.

Static items are bad because I can't take them from you. In EVE BPOs are about the ONLY thing other than SP that you cannot lose to anything other than gross stupidity. If you lose a T2 BPO, you are a moron for the same reason people getting blown up with PLEX in their holds are morons, and people who don't keep up to date clones are morons.


Did you know you CAN affect the ME, PE, and runs on a BPC produced by invention? Look at what decryptors do beyond changing the chance of success.

But I really see no significant balance issues with letting the stats of the BPC you are inventing from change the stats of the T2 BPC you are inventing. Its a shame that no one has every suggested that before

It's not just "wrong", it's an outright lie. There was a QEN once that showed that 97% of all T2 jobs were invention based.'

T2 BPO whiners like to ignore that and instead pretend that items like t2 armor plates are representative of the whole market.

remove t2 bpos and replace with enough max run copys at perfect ME to make ships for a year.

This is more what we need. It's not the Tech 2 BPOs or lack of them that is the problem; it's the unfortunate inability to produce a decent Tech 2 BPC that it is worthwhile to manufacture from. Decryptors and their availability and cost and all that nonsense aside, the real issue is not having a reason to research a Tech 1 BPO before making Tech 2 BPCs from it, and not benefiting from the research you have done.

Also, there is some issue with the difficulty to actually get a Tech 2 BPC on invention tests, which is a lottery in itself. Saying, "You're doing it wrong," at this stage is sort of ignorant as one person may get the luck of the draw and regularly produce Tech 2 BPCs with great success, where another might continuously get failed attempts all other things-skills included-being equal.

Invention is over-rated and underdone. It's like a half finished project that nobody ever quite got back to.