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EVE and Windows Phone apps

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-09 18:05:54 UTC
I'm switching to a windows phone shortly and I'm wondering which apps are available for EVE. All i'm coming up with is Evolution. Are there any others? Is evolution worth getting?? Thanks.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Tabrina Harkness
Dark Shadow Rising
#2 - 2012-04-10 14:22:31 UTC
I have found "Aura" for android to be a great app.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-10 19:13:49 UTC
Tabrina Harkness wrote:
I have found "Aura" for android to be a great app.


Thank you for the reply but I'm getting a WINDOWS phone not an android :)

You'd be surprised how many android apps I've been told about whenever I ask about apps for my new Windows phone.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Turk Fezzik
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#4 - 2012-04-13 15:26:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Turk Fezzik
There really isn't anything decent for the Windows Phone. There were a couple good ones before CCP changed the API keys but they've not been updated. Here is what I'm currently using.

EveLet - Simple character monitor. Not much to speak of but it works.
Eve Ship Browser - Browse the ships of the game and view stats. Some of the models are even in 3D so you can ship spin on your phone!

The Apple and Microsoft business models aren't really conducive to free apps and CCP isn't going to like you charging $$ for apps on these phones. Does CCP have that $99 fee if you want to charge for apps? If so you are looking at $200 a year to put something on iPhone or WP7. You'd be hard pressed to create an app for Eve that you could break even on. WP7 now has side-loading for hobby apps but you have to be pretty technical to make that work; further reducing your audience. Android is really the best place for free/hobby apps. I'm hoping WP8 changes things for us.
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#5 - 2012-04-13 17:34:15 UTC
What sort of apps would you guys be interested in for Windows Phone 7.x / Zune HD?

Have been meaning to start a project for the platform, so if you guys have anything particular in mind let me know :)
Turk Fezzik
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#6 - 2012-04-15 01:26:49 UTC
RavenTesio wrote:
What sort of apps would you guys be interested in for Windows Phone 7.x / Zune HD?

Have been meaning to start a project for the platform, so if you guys have anything particular in mind let me know :)


Something that sent push notifications when Eve sends notifications or mail to any of my characters would be the most useful for me. I've got EveMon for monitoring most everything and I'm usually on a PC at least once a day so character monitors on the phone aren't that useful. Knowing immediately when a tower is under attack however would be priceless.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-15 02:17:20 UTC
Thanks for the replies. I'm finding out more and more how many apps are not available for this phone. I'm sending it back and getting an Android platform

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#8 - 2012-04-23 18:53:40 UTC
Turk Fezzik wrote:
RavenTesio wrote:
What sort of apps would you guys be interested in for Windows Phone 7.x / Zune HD?

Have been meaning to start a project for the platform, so if you guys have anything particular in mind let me know :)


Something that sent push notifications when Eve sends notifications or mail to any of my characters would be the most useful for me. I've got EveMon for monitoring most everything and I'm usually on a PC at least once a day so character monitors on the phone aren't that useful. Knowing immediately when a tower is under attack however would be priceless.


Something similar to the Xbox Live / Windows Live App, should be fairly simple to do that.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#9 - 2012-04-23 21:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
People are not developing on WP because of the LIMITED API (compared to WinCE), they are all focusing on Android because it is not intentionally limited and closed off. I don't know the API story on iOS but I would imagine it is more accessible than WP is.

If you want to use anything outside of XNA/Silverlight, Isolated storage and Windows App Market, you are basically screwed on WP.

I hit this problem and had to recommend Android for this very reason, WP closed off the API making it a no go in the systems I have to develop.


I STRONGLY recommend you get either Droid or iOS, WP is not a good developer story in its current form and will not be for a while, especially with Balmer's attitude.

There is no local database in WP, there is no side loading in WP, there is no NFC, Bluetooth etc API access. These are VERY important if you want to develop apps that use "alternative" interaction , such as augmented interaction (great for blind people and people on the move, or in the field etc).

As for eve apps, well, if you want a local database, you are out of luck, for a simple HTTP REST query, probably ok, bit expensive to get a phone just for Eve apps though and useless on other apps. Isolated storage is the only other option for local storage on WP, if you just want that basic stuff, you can just do a HTTP query into REST and save it as a bookmark on any mobile device, but getting a Windows Phone just for basic stuff, is just a waste of money given the current state of it, it effectively is a dead brick when it comes to useful app development.

It is so simple to develop apps on droid, you can do many yourself in no time using Eclipse and java and the Activity XML designer. Beats wrestling with Visual studio and compact framework, Silverlight and other stuff. In fact you might be supprised how easy it is to develop for.


The reason there is very few apps for WP, bad bad dev story. Most are avoiding it. Well actually that isn't true, most got pushed away from it due to no API access for much functionality.
Aodha Khan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-04-24 11:50:59 UTC
Strange....most of the interviews I have seen from larger dev companies building top 100 Android/iOS apps say that WP is much better to develop for.

WP7 has 7 of top 10 phones rated on Amazon for a reason.

Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.

Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-24 16:25:13 UTC
Aodha Khan wrote:
Strange....most of the interviews I have seen from larger dev companies building top 100 Android/iOS apps say that WP is much better to develop for.

WP7 has 7 of top 10 phones rated on Amazon for a reason.


I ended up sending the WP back and getting an android. I prefer the windows OS but as it stands right now there are hardly any apps available and zero available for the uses I was after.

So we'll see if windows can catch up on apps, if it does I don't see why it won't compete well with the other two but as of right now, bleh.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#12 - 2012-04-24 17:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Aodha Khan wrote:
Strange....most of the interviews I have seen from larger dev companies building top 100 Android/iOS apps say that WP is much better to develop for.

WP7 has 7 of top 10 phones rated on Amazon for a reason.



Really, before you open your mouth, go try to develop for it.

If you can access Bluetooth, let me know because I can make you VERY VERY rich :) because there is an entire INDUSTRY out there sidelined by MSFT that you can sell to and make TRILLIONS.

I have, I am, and WP is a terrible developer story for "real world" applications.

I worked at MSFT for a decade, I had to recommend Android for the reason of lack of API access to critical funcationality that they needed, that is why droid is the number one platform for mobile device interaction and pretty much EVERYWHERE on EVERY DEVICE imaginable.

Droid access to NFC, Bluetooth, Sql database, side loading etc etc... WP cannot do that, at least not on public API's.

WinCE was the last really programmable mobile from MSFT, Windows Mobile was killed off, WinCE is end of life, Windows Phone is the new API, Windows RT is comming, Windows 8, sometime, MS is currently forcing developers of "real world" field/embedded apps to go to Windows Embedded (overkill for field apps that are just data acquisition and sending back to base over the air) and WP is not recommended for such applications and no other platform is available.

I am currently developing a field capture application, its using Bluetooth, REST, JSON and Sql db on the client, WP cannot do those basic things for developers. I am also focusing on deliverying augmented interfaces using wearable devices, again WP cannot do that either, Android CAN, when you have something to deliver in say 3 months time, you can't wait around for Balmer to get of his fat behind and say "make it so". MSFT lost the mobile media device market (Zune), they lost the mobile market (Windows Mobile, Windows Phone etc), they are now trying to turn the desktop into a mobile market (Metro). Spare me the fanboy talk, I talk reality, I have had this discussion many times with fanboy MS current employees whom I worked with :) It is too easy to cut through their fanboy Facebook pages of "look at me I'm a good corporate citizen" rubbish being "visible" to their managers on their facebook streams :) I just put out there the FACTS. Google and Apple won he mobile race, Microsoft lost, keep also in mind they have tried a few times, (CE, Zune, Windows Mobile and now Windows Phone and in future the WinRT core). They have lost it, they are probably at least 3 years behind the rest, due to their "reorganisations" and "realignements". balmer is not the right person to run the mobile team, he took direct control of it, and we all know (even inside MS) that he is one bitter, vengful person and that is blinding him, he has NO CLUE about the mobile market at all and especially the field/embedded market, never mind the future wearables.

MS employees had a Windows mobile phone free, it was god aweful, we only cared about the free phone calls :) In fact a lot of employee's just used droid or iOS. If you walk around the MS offices you will see a LOT of droids, iPods, iPads, iPhones. That again speaks volumes.

Do you think employees of MS care? hell no, (I know, I was there for a decade), all they care about is getting their "level" in their CSP (career stage profile), this is pretty much mandatory to follow the promotion "curve" and get your level. That is the NUMBER ONE THING on a Microsoft's employees mind, and rightly so, if you want to work there, you have to level up. And that is what is destroying the company, along with Balmers ignorance, arrogance, vengfulness and bitterness and it shows in his running of the mobile team (and in fact the company as a whole). Then again he doesn't care, as long as he gets his millions of shares each year and expense account.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#13 - 2012-04-24 17:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Aodha Khan wrote:
Strange....most of the interviews I have seen from larger dev companies building top 100 Android/iOS apps say that WP is much better to develop for.

WP7 has 7 of top 10 phones rated on Amazon for a reason.


I ended up sending the WP back and getting an android. I prefer the windows OS but as it stands right now there are hardly any apps available and zero available for the uses I was after.

So we'll see if windows can catch up on apps, if it does I don't see why it won't compete well with the other two but as of right now, bleh.



There is hardly any apps for the reason I previously stated, terrible developer story, lack of public API's, most key functionality is private and locked out.'

If WP is such a great thing to develop for, where are the apps? That speaks volumes.

The only reason apps will start to appear is 1) MS "partner" with companies to get them to do apps 2) they develop them themselves or 3) they make more of the API public and accessible to external developers.

Until that happens, its as useful as a dead brick to developers such as myself.

If Skype etc (that they purchased) and have released a WP app use internal API's then MSFT are straight back into court for anti-trust :) The API was INTENTIONALLY locked down, Balmer wanted to do an Apple iTunes app store copycat and thus we get a limited API.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-24 21:07:59 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Aodha Khan wrote:
Strange....most of the interviews I have seen from larger dev companies building top 100 Android/iOS apps say that WP is much better to develop for.

WP7 has 7 of top 10 phones rated on Amazon for a reason.


I ended up sending the WP back and getting an android. I prefer the windows OS but as it stands right now there are hardly any apps available and zero available for the uses I was after.

So we'll see if windows can catch up on apps, if it does I don't see why it won't compete well with the other two but as of right now, bleh.



There is hardly any apps for the reason I previously stated, terrible developer story, lack of public API's, most key functionality is private and locked out.'

If WP is such a great thing to develop for, where are the apps? That speaks volumes.

The only reason apps will start to appear is 1) MS "partner" with companies to get them to do apps 2) they develop them themselves or 3) they make more of the API public and accessible to external developers.

Until that happens, its as useful as a dead brick to developers such as myself.

If Skype etc (that they purchased) and have released a WP app use internal API's then MSFT are straight back into court for anti-trust :) The API was INTENTIONALLY locked down, Balmer wanted to do an Apple iTunes app store copycat and thus we get a limited API.



Thanks for the info.

Are there living bricks ?

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Veta Toralen
Adeptio Gloriae
#15 - 2012-05-24 17:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Veta Toralen
I recently got a WP nokia 800, I bought it primary for work. It connects well to my hotmail account, I use the GPS. The main reason I got the phone was for it's durability it is very sturdy and can take a beating more than other smart phones. However the APP scene is abysmal and there are literally none compared to I android or apples phone. For me this is not a problem but if you want apps do not get a windows phone.

Anything the Nokia 800 can do an I phone or android can do 10x better except in one key feature. Be dropped from varying heights, the only thing a windows phone can do better than another smart phone is bounce and survive which is the sole reason I bought it.
Veta Toralen
Adeptio Gloriae
#16 - 2012-05-24 21:38:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Veta Toralen
Actually had this phone for a few hours now and I like it very much. I have found some great apps that do pretty much all I want and more. I was bit worried about browsing the net via windows phone due to adds and the likes but windows explorer on the phone has a built in ad-block which is ace. Not seen a single advert once while browsing. I don't know why all browsers do not have this as standard now a days instead of having to download 3rd party ad blockers.

Anyway I will be up for downloading any free EVE apps for the windows phone. SO feel free to message me if you have any.
Turk Fezzik
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#17 - 2012-05-25 03:22:25 UTC
Veta Toralen wrote:
I recently got a WP nokia 800, I ...


I got a Nokia 800 from work and I've been using it for about 6 months now. I really like the industrial design coming out of Nokia. My only complaint about that phone is there is no way to change the battery.

I hope WP does well. In my opinion it has the best developer experience of any of the big 3. Just need to convince developers to create more apps on it.
Tessa Scyne
Shadowknight Securities
#18 - 2012-07-08 00:36:29 UTC
WP has the potential to be much more then it is, but the devs are being stunted. I love my phone, but untill they make the devs happy and alow the platform to foster ingenuity like android does we will not get the app base.

We will see with win phone 8, I'm sitting back with cautious optimism

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Robby Titan
Guards of Old
#19 - 2012-08-26 10:59:31 UTC
Any update on if there is an app for the Windows 7 phone yet? I had an Android and loved Aura, but can't get any of the apps that are out there now to work on my new phone...

If your boat hasn't come in yet, swim out to it

Fhtagnamus Wiggins
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#20 - 2012-08-26 14:02:57 UTC
I'm using EveLet, its simple app that lets you add pilots and follow skilling/isk/market orders + displays eve news.
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