Ships & Modules

TL;DR version: gief WoW with spaceships plix.

SWTOR will get below EVE subscriber level in 6 months. EVE is steadily growing (very slowly but still) ...

Nobody else found it funny this guy thought Titan Tracking was a non-problem, wow, maybe after a certain amount of QQ you just begin to not see the humour in it anymore.

Yeah, I was laughing at that too. Especially the part about "So CCP spends resources it does not have". Those tweaks to titans (nerfing XL gun tracking, removing the penalty from siege mods, and nerfing Titan scan res) involve changing exactly 18 numbers in the database; 12 guns tracking speed * 0.5, 2 siege tracking penalty = 0, 4 titans scan res = 5. This change probably took about 10 min tops and a couple hours testing it to make sure that it was working as-intended and didn't screw up Dreads too much or anything. It really isn't that complex. They intentionally made it a very simple tweak that would require little to no developer effort to execute.

And, to the OP, everything else you've mentioned in your post has been discussed to death already in other threads. Eve is working as intended. We don't want to be a huge game with millions of subscribers. Eve is dedicated to those of us who can't stand the padded cells that other MMOs put you in ('protecting' you by limiting the freedom in the game). If you want a MMO to hold your hand and kiss your boo boos, there are plenty of MMOs like that out there. Eve is for the rest of us who can't stand that kind of game, so don't try to change that. No one is forcing you to play Eve and we acknowledge that it isn't for everyone. If you don't like it, find another MMO.

Edit: I'd forgotten about T2 siege mods at first, so there are really 18 numbers total that will need to change.

These topics really have been done to death, OP.

Regardless of your narrow view of EVE, new players can and do compete with older players all day, erryday.

Once you reach level 5 on a skill whether it be for a ship or a mod, you are on an equal footing with everyone else. It's that simple.

Older players just have a wider choice, it doesn't make them any better.

The only thing the older players have over new players is a better understanding of the game and the game mechanics as a whole. You can't buy that or train for it. You can only gain experience by playing.

*Edit*

Also forgot to mention, do you think you are the first 'new' player to encounter these problems?

I came across the complexity and skullduggery of EVE in 2008! Game's been going since 2003 so this is nothing new at all.

Find people. Learn from them.

Personal story: I spent the first 2 weeks learning this game on my own before I got picked up by some random vet. I said to myself, "what the hell, why not," joined his corp, got ganked BY the corp a few times (not to mention belittled and pushed around a bit), steeled by resolve, stayed, asked questions, and did my best to PROVE that I could be one of them (despite my lacking skills).
They still haven't gotten rid of me... yet.


... and this is a problem... why?


You fail to grasp how the skill system actually works if this is what you think.

- All skills cap at level 5. No matter how many years you have played the game, you cannot exceed that limit.

- Only a limited number of skills affect any one ship, module, or weapon system at any given time.
Ex1: Someone you are facing has about 20 million SP, but how much of that overall SP is actually combat related. He/she could be a HUGE industrial player that just wants to blow off some steam.
Ex2: You have suberb gunnery support skills and have a fair bit trained into projectile weapons. However, today you want to use lasers. You fit some to your ships and go out to shoot some stuff... however you notice that despite placing excellent hits on the target(s), you are not dealing much damage. This is because your gunnery support skills, which allow you hit stuff better, are being applied... but without training up the skill specific to lasers your damage will be anemic.

- Getting a skill to level 5 from level 4 only adds on an extra 2% here, 5% there. If you simply train up all the skills within a specialty and defer getting them to level 5 until you have/want to, you will find yourself flying at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of a multi-year veteran in that specific specialty.

- Getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be a painful train. Many players (yes, even veteran ones) opt to avoid doing it and instead train up other skills to level 4.

- Ships and weapons have been balanced against one another.
Ex: A battleship can potentially instapop a frigate... but the frigate can fly very fast, making it difficult for the battleship's weapons to track, especially at very close range... then again, the battleship can deploy drones to deal with the frigate... and the frigate can shoot the drones down... however the battleship might have a Large Energy Neutralizer fitted to nuke the frigate's capacitor every 24 second... in which case the frigate could use a Small Nosferatu that sucks out capacitor every 3 seconds... etc. etc.


Pandemic Legion and their supercapital hugglebunnies have recently taken up residence near our base of operations (in low-sec). They have more supercapital pilots than my corp has ACTIVE pilots.
Do we complain? Yeah, who wouldn't.
Do we stay docked up? Nope. We just fly smaller, more mobile ships that won't warrant PL dropping capitals on us.
Doesn't this limit what we can and cannot do? Sure it does, but that's part of the fun! If PL wants a fight with my guys, they're going to have to come down to OUR level... or they won't get a fight at all.


Bear in mind that Star Wars has a large cult-ish following from the movies and many (see: "most") of them are huge nerds (I lovingly use that term as a nerd myself). It shouldn't be surprising that many of them are trying an MMO based on Star Wars... because... well... it's Star Wars! It'll be awesome! It can't be bad!! (*cough*PhantomMenace*cough*)

EVE doesn't have that kind of recognition to draw from. It's also a "niche" game that's appealing to people who specifically don't want the "same old, same old."

You have a good point. The nag is one of the most vertical ships in the game, and prone to topple if too near a large source of gravity.

can someone post links to the aforementioned dev blogs stating titans will be nerfed and new players can get into ships twice as fast?

Perhaps he meant to say toons?

New alts dont actually mean new players ....