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L4 fire support - Tengu or CNR?

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Endeav1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-12 09:02:40 UTC
I currently do L4s in gallente space on a navy dominix, with full drone skills. I have an alt that tags along in missions when it isn't licing in a wormhole, and am wondering what ship would provide the best dps support for finishing missions. From living in a wormhole it has excellent tengu skills, T2 heavies and so forth, and minimal raven skills, though I could remedy that.

What would provide the faster completion times for my L4s? Fly a tengu and have it primary cruisers and use my dominix's sentries on BS, or fly a CNR with cruise or torps? Mind you if I fly a torp CNR the dominix can take care of cruisers and frigates.

The tanks on either ship don't really matter, the dominix goes in first and both ships would have enough tanks for additional spawns that the dominix doesn't aggro.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-03-12 09:04:00 UTC
Good Tengu skills, no BS skills... fly a Tengu. Its really that simple.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Endeav1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-12 09:10:10 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Good Tengu skills, no BS skills... fly a Tengu. Its really that simple.

-Liang


I can skill the Raven skills (it IS just cruise/torps V and caldari BS), depending on what would give more mission DPS given the presence of the Dominix
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-03-12 10:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Pheusia
I'm not really familiar with W-space, so I'd advise that if you spend much of your time hammering through the tanks of large rats to go for the CNR, if you're irritated by clearing waves of small/med rats then go Tengu.

The CNR will also be a good bit cheaper, and more forgiving of mistakes

EDIT: Just trained Reading to 2, and I see you want it for missions. Tengu it is.
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#5 - 2012-03-12 11:47:42 UTC
Dont waste time on cruise missile...
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#6 - 2012-03-12 13:54:41 UTC
Use a Tengu with passive uberbuffer set up. Throw it in first and the moment the DPS ship arrives (Marauder ideally) have the tengu orbit it at 500 with AB on. Every now and then change BS target with the Tengu favoring those still outside of Marauder range (if pulse or blaster or autocannon or torp fitted as usual). Some even use FoFs.

Mainly play on the Marauder... you can suck/salvage as you kill... at most by the end you will have a couple of BS cans left ...

If you feel the Tengu uber tank is not 100% uber feel free to supplament it with a L shield transporter on the Marauder...

I find this system handy... It also works wih a tier 3 BC Glass cannon in lieu of the Marauder if you feel cheap or skeetish.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-03-12 14:11:07 UTC
there is a tengu setup with 100mn AB and ~300 passive omnitank. just orbit your dominix at 1.5km/s and derp HMs at cruisers.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Tenga Halaris
Galactic Traders Union
#8 - 2012-03-13 23:40:37 UTC
Go for a Vindicator or Mach or, less cool, a Navy Mega.

Kill incoming Frigs with the Alpha of your Mega, everything that comes too close, kill with small Drones (can be set on agressive in somecases), while shooting BC and BS with your large guns. The Tengu should concentrate on Cruisers up to BS, because counting volleys on frigs, that are 70km off, sucks. You also don't have to change any Ammotypes on your ships.

Dominix + Tengu is not working that smooth, because:

Someone has to shoot the frigs, which should be the job for the Domi, which has to use Sentries to apply full dmg, thus loosing DPS while switching between small drones, long and shortrange Sentries.

Shooting Frigs with the Tengu isn't fun, because you have to switch ammo all the time.

A Variant I used was the Tengu orbiting the Mach, while shooting FOF missiles. The Mach and the small Drones did the rest. The Tengu was used as some big expensive drone in that case. Pretty chill...
Endeav1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-16 22:46:35 UTC
My dominix pillot is working towards a machariel Big smile

It will just be a while befor I get into one.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#10 - 2012-03-17 01:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Patri Andari
This works for me.

I tri box in high sec empire using a Nighthawk for dps (I no longer use a Tengu but more on that later) supported by a Gila and a boosting Orca with a Noctis in the ship maintenance bay.

Most missions the Nighthawk warps in first and orbits the beacon at about 10 with AB running and draws agrro from the first target group. Then I warp in the Gila and AB away from the group, drop sentries and assign them to protect the Nighthawk. Meanwhile the Orca, which also has a MWD sits at a safe or the main mission entry gate boosting.

Often I never have to even use the scout drones on my Nighthawk because sentries tend to kill ships closest to the Nighthawk which are the frigs. As the rat dps starts to drop (frigs are dead) and the last spawn has entered I send the Orca into the pocket and once the last rat is dead I switch out the Nighthawk for the Noctis. I do not always loot and salvage my missions, but when I do none of the wrecks are out of range from the T2 tractors on a Noctis.

Rinse and repeat in each pocket.

I have played around with many combinations, but this one works best for me. It is faster then most combinations in terms of velocity using AB on both dps ships although the Minimatar and Angel battle ships are no slouches. Missiles and drones make a great combination not only because of damage selection and ease of use, but the damage consistency and projection. Once the sentries are at range you have no tracking concerns just fit drone upgrades to taste.

Although some people opt for short range turret ships or torps because it fits their style, (and that's cool) I do not mission for fun but for profit, so ease of use and speed are my highest priorities. The mission ends fast and I do not have to chase things around.... just switch targets, F1 pause F2, and the wrecks end up in a nice convenient ball. P

You can do similar with your Tengu and perhaps (suggestion) switch your drone ship to an Ishtar to get to the gates faster. You may also not be interested in using an Orca this way. It is not needed but it really helps with things like swapping fits or ammo or when you want to move mission locations.

As far as the Tengu is concerned I now only use it in low security or 0.0 for pve. I like to mission with a lot of bling in high security and gankers have taken to blapping bling fit Tengus as a new pastime. My Nighthawk can be ganked mind you, but it will take a lot more to do it then 2 or 3 Tornadoes even though I have 4 bcs in the lows. Cool Also when a frig has to die right now, its the only thing Nighthawk is actually better equipped than a Tengu at doing. (Buff Nighthawk!)

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-03-17 01:41:52 UTC
'tengu' is the right answer to about 60% of questions in this forum, including this thread

I should buy an Ishtar.

Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-17 12:20:41 UTC
Yeah go tenjew.

If you have no tenjew at the moment, hop into a drake to give support until you have enough isk for a tenjew

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Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-17 17:35:05 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
'tengu' is the right answer to about 60% of questions in this forum, including this thread

It is almost like the ship is completely overpowered.