Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think we all can agree that titan tracking is a bit too good. Still we dont want to nerf them into oblivion and make them moveable jump bridges so this is what i would like to see:

Dreadnought siege module: remove the tracking and missile explosion velocity negative effect.
Titans: add a 40% tracking and missile exlosion velocity nerf.

This would make a dread blob a nice way to counter subcaps the way people do with titans today except that subcaps actually can kill dreads. It also doesnt change their roles in hitting structures at all, it solves the issue of drifting while sieged.
This also adds more reason to drop titans, to counter the dread blob. And with nerfed tracking hitting sieged dreads or triage carriers wont be very hard. Also gives more reason then today to use supercarriers in battle because today they are a bit limited after the nerf.
This might make dreads too powerful for w-space but ive never been in one fo those battles so whats your thoughts?

I just dont think that dreads should be the ones to kill titans unless they are in way superior numbers. Titans are supposed to be capital killers so let them be just that.
Instead it would be fun to have new supercaps killer battleships so you get a nice rock paper scissor effect of bs < dread < titan.

A side effect of this would be ratting dreads but hey, why not :P

The problem is the enemy having more titans, if we would drop everything we have on our enemies we would probably lose and have nothing left which would mean a lot of 0.0 alliances could simply roll straight over us.
Titans shouldnt be able to kill drakes with no problem and no, drakes cant kill titans either.
If this change would go through titans would still be very useful but not a iwin button that solves all problems. No ship in eve is supposed to be the perfect counter to everything, no matter how expensive they are.

titans would be 100b isk bridge ships. period.

a) cant ddd anything subcap
b) cant track anything subcap
c) cant even kill 1 single eris orbiting him and dropping bubbles, have no drones, nothing.

what else are titans suposed to do ? fit mining lasers?

witch you dont use, like you said, so , again, no role

i did read the thread.

Cant find a good reason to nerf titan tracking tbh.

a) you cry "nerf" because you dont field your own scaps
b) You claim titans track too mutch, altho you ignore that a tracking titan have NO tank, gasscannon
c) Your "solution" (to a non.existent problem, sugests something that will make a entire ship class useless

Didn't you guys help us kill a shadow of death titan and a bunch of spider tanking supers, using drakes and tier 3 BCs? I don't think we had a single capital ship on field.

I mean, yeah, against a large titan fleet it's going to take a lot of BCs, and you're going to whelp your fleet, but every single one of them you take down in the meantime is 80b in damage. It'd be nice if they gave titan wrecks some EHP though, so many officer mods go pop to smartbombs/bombs/dicks with snipers every time

I also think they should fix instant refitting in combat. If someone chooses to gank fit their titan to kill sub caps, it should stay gank fitted even when it becomes primary.

Having said that, my experience killing/flying titans is limited. And I'm basing most of my opinions on hearsay and experience with supers.

I don't think any capship should have tracking quite as bad as that of sieged dreads. Sieged dread tracking is absolutely abominable (I remember dicking around on SiSi and speed-tanking a dread in a Thanatos by orbiting him at 500m) and no ship should be that useless ever again. There's a reason almost nobody flies dreads.

I think that IN PRACTICE, titan tracking is currently too good. However, Simi has a really good point-- that there are two ways to go about fixing it. One way would be to nerf base capital turret tracking. The other would be to prevent Titans from fitting subcap-blapping fits for fleet fights, then swapping to a tank fit when they start taking damage.

Personally I think combat refitting is incredibly dumb. If they changed it so that you were unable to refit while being targeted (much like how you can't cloak or board a locked ship), I think this would solve the problem. I've heard people suggest basing refit ability on aggression flagging, but I really dislike this idea (who wants to wait 15 minutes to refit despite the fact that combat has ended??).

I don't think much of a titan tracking nerf is needed. Titans should be able to hit battleships, straight up. Battlecruisers should require a solid tracking-based fit to hit, but it should be possible with that fit. Cruisers should be hit or miss (pun intended) even with a tracking fit (much like the way MY MACHARIEL can blap frigates, but only if they're poorly flown). Titans should never be hitting dictors and frigates, or specifically configured cruisers like AHACs ever (unless the dude is sitting stationary 70km away, you get the idea).

Oh, and for the record, I think siege mode should lose its tracking penalty. My ideal patch would look like this:

- Possible *small* capital turret tracking nerf (needs to be tested objectively by CCP to achieve results like the ones I stated above-- BS hit-able, BC hit-able with tracking fit, badly flown cruisers hit-able with tracking fit, things smaller than cruisers p much damage-immune)
- Remove tracking penalty for siege mode
- Expunge combat-refitting by making players unable to refit while being targeted

circle jerk in full swing, niceeee

Because their guns are really huge and should track accordingly.
What's confusing about this?