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[Proposal - UPDATED] CSPA Inadeqaute - We need a new way to stop the eve mail spam "exploit&

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-07 21:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
I don't post ideas very often...rarely if that.

But this bugs the living hell out of me.


The CSPA is all good and fine....in function...but people make isk like crazy and can afford to throw tons of it to spam the #### out of you for anything and everything...I beleive you all know to which eve mail I'm referring to as a pointed example.

Fact is...this has happended very often.

Stick around any of the market hubs and you'll get spammed by some idiot who wants to push his product on you.


As if we didn't have the capability of doing our own shopping in various forms or fashion.

My point is this...if I want to be contacted...to hear from you...then I will choose whether or not to hear you on my terms...not the other way around.



My Proposal is this - Add an additional item to the CSPA...make it standings relevant.

If your not blue....you don't get to eve mail me...but instead you send a request to get added....if you don't get accepted....you don't get to send your little message.

Much like the pilot who convo's you.

A name...saying this person whishes to message you..... accept...add and accept...reject...reject and block?

Why can't we have that instead?

Isk means nothing.

And you only get to send 1 request....per 24 hours...maybe 12 hours.

Yes..the idea is a little off the cuff....if someone can come up with a better idea...be my guest.

I just want the spam to stop....adding a CSPA won't stop it...and in some cases...is more harmful.

Naturally Corp/Alliance should always get a free pass...and hence my suggestion about blues getting a exeception.

#EDIT#
OR!!!!!!

Change CSPA to divert ISK paid to the receipent of said message/convo.

Thusly you get paid to listen to ####. As opposed to throwing isk at a black hole. Also good for lol's and lovely scams at best. Win win amright?

Who doens't want 100mil for spam?!
#EDIT#

This crap about "first offense" is ok is foolish...sorry CCP....that's like saying I'm free to eve mail everyone a quircky meme with each and every new toon and never get dinged for it....ever. (Until they wake up to the fact its not a nice thing to allow)

No offense naturally...but we have local...we have forums....why is that not enough?

Discuss/troll/flame away.

PS: For the record...I have nothing agianst getting people to vote for you...my issue is forcing it down our damn throats on top of CCP pushing ads for it and the forums is crossing the line....but as I've stated...this is more eve mail system itself and not the message contained therein.

###EDIT 2####

Recently suggested....

Toss the CSPA out all-together and go to a whitelist/greylist/blacklist feature.

Not my favorite...but it will help alot to stop the spam!

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Cyprus Black
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-03-07 23:17:59 UTC
We see eye to eye on a lot of things, but this we do not. This eve mail spam problem is so infrequent and CSPA charges are fine as is.

I've spent a LOT of time tooling around in major trade hubs and eve mail spam is so incredibly rare. I might receive on average about one per week and my CSPA charges are turned off. I don't know what you're doing to receive the amount of eve mail spam, but you're obviously doing it wrong.

I'm guessing you're angry that a CSM candidate(s) sent mass emails out to anyone and everyone asking for votes.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-07 23:24:20 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
We see eye to eye on a lot of things, but this we do not. This eve mail spam problem is so infrequent and CSPA charges are fine as is.

I've spent a LOT of time tooling around in major trade hubs and eve mail spam is so incredibly rare. I might receive on average about one per week and my CSPA charges are turned off. I don't know what you're doing to receive the amount of eve mail spam, but you're obviously doing it wrong.

I'm guessing you're angry that a CSM candidate(s) sent mass emails out to anyone and everyone asking for votes.



Agreed cyprus...always appreicated your prespective.

I may have seriously bad luck...I receive one every time I travel to Rens or Jita these days....my wife whom also plays is getting pinged every so often as well.

It may not be a rampant issue now...but people will figure it out...and continue to abuse it now that CCP set a precedent.

It's likely rippling across several CSM cannidates mind to employ said trick since there is no punnihsment for said action...as I said...you can do it once...and once is all it takes.

I appreicate your thoughts on the matter....would be nice to get further feedback/suggestions however.

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Cyprus Black
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-03-07 23:31:02 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:

Agreed cyprus...always appreicated your prespective.

I may have seriously bad luck...I receive one every time I travel to Rens or Jita these days....my wife whom also plays is getting pinged every so often as well.

It may not be a rampant issue now...but people will figure it out...and continue to abuse it now that CCP set a precedent.

It's likely rippling across several CSM cannidates mind to employ said trick since there is no punnihsment for said action...as I said...you can do it once...and once is all it takes.

I appreicate your thoughts on the matter....would be nice to get further feedback/suggestions however.
I don't mean to instigate a forum fight, but how much unsolicited spam mail are you getting on a daily or weekly average? And of what subject matter?

I can't imagine it's to such a high degree that it warrants a change of mail mechanics.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-03-07 23:51:22 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:

Agreed cyprus...always appreicated your prespective.

I may have seriously bad luck...I receive one every time I travel to Rens or Jita these days....my wife whom also plays is getting pinged every so often as well.

It may not be a rampant issue now...but people will figure it out...and continue to abuse it now that CCP set a precedent.

It's likely rippling across several CSM cannidates mind to employ said trick since there is no punnihsment for said action...as I said...you can do it once...and once is all it takes.

I appreicate your thoughts on the matter....would be nice to get further feedback/suggestions however.
I don't mean to instigate a forum fight, but how much unsolicited spam mail are you getting on a daily or weekly average? And of what subject matter?

I can't imagine it's to such a high degree that it warrants a change of mail mechanics.


Exxcluding Alliance mails? (snerk)

not often....I'm out in 0.0 land.....

The main issue is not how often I get it....its the abuse factor I see coming a mile away.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-08 02:38:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
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lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-03-08 12:31:54 UTC
Well there is an option to stop ppl contacting you from a direct chat perspective. There should be one also for mails.
But you can of course have checkboxes that allow corp/alliance.
Perhaps use the same functionality as the fleet finder filter.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#8 - 2012-03-08 13:11:46 UTC
Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged.

If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it Bear

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-08 15:12:29 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
Fortunately there's very little incentive for EVE players to spam mail in this way with the exception of CSM candidates.

There is a neat way of dealing with mail spammers in EVE, it's called the block button. A certain CSM candidate is now on my blocked list and will never be removed from it.

Think the CSPA charge is fine for most of the mail problems you will come across, the block option will sort the rest.

Sorry Drake, I can't support this proposal.


Aside from the obvious "well duh"

I'm talking about stopping the first initial mail SM...not the second.

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2012-03-09 05:16:38 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged.

If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it Bear


IIRC, the CSPA charge doesn't go to the char, it's an ISK sink.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#11 - 2012-03-09 05:33:32 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged.

If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it Bear


IIRC, the CSPA charge doesn't go to the char, it's an ISK sink.


This is currently true, hence my proposal for a simpler fix. I don't think it works that way now, I think it SHOULD work that way Blink

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-09 15:10:58 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
mxzf wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged.

If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it Bear


IIRC, the CSPA charge doesn't go to the char, it's an ISK sink.


This is currently true, hence my proposal for a simpler fix. I don't think it works that way now, I think it SHOULD work that way Blink



I would LOVE this if it was the case.

In-fact I dare say I'd be quite content to receive spam mail if it cost them a fortune.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-09 18:19:07 UTC
Having seen that more than one CSM Candidate spammed people for votes, I've changed my mind and will support this now.

It will cause problems for everyone if this becomes the 'norm'.

The simple fix to have, I am guessing, an unlimited CSPA charge that goes to the person that received the mail is a good one.

Like Drake, I will quite happily deal with spam if I am paid for it.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-03-09 18:59:24 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
Having seen that more than one CSM Candidate spammed people for votes, I've changed my mind and will support this now.

It will cause problems for everyone if this becomes the 'norm'.

The simple fix to have, I am guessing, an unlimited CSPA charge that goes to the person that received the mail is a good one.

Like Drake, I will quite happily deal with spam if I am paid for it.


Exactly....this isn't to do with 1 CSM cannidate...this is to do with the SYSTEM of how they allow/employ it.

If people start to abuse it....its gonna make life nasty.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-09 19:11:06 UTC
Updated proposal to reflect CSPA solution/option. Big smile

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Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#16 - 2012-03-23 19:34:21 UTC
More forced pop-ups that steals focus? NO THANKS!
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-23 20:31:41 UTC
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
More forced pop-ups that steals focus? NO THANKS!


This is no different than someone convo'ing you that isn't on your address book.

And getting paid for it...is not a bad thing to be quite honest.

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ceyriot
Carebear Educational Services
#18 - 2012-03-25 10:52:22 UTC
Looks like a relatively simple change, that does make sense. I have my eve-mail as open, as I'm usually in lowsec....I have seen those spam evemails, and they are annoying.

An option like you said, to have more settings on it would be great.

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DODGE CITY
Keep it Hard
#19 - 2012-03-25 13:12:35 UTC
DUDE set you cspa charge at 1 million. i never get spam mail unless i set the charge lower for ppl to contact me thats not in my corp/alliance.
if your getting that much spam mail its your own fault plain and simple!
did you try adding the spammers to block list not sure if that will work but worth a try

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-03-26 00:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
DODGE CITY wrote:
DUDE set you cspa charge at 1 million. i never get spam mail unless i set the charge lower for ppl to contact me thats not in my corp/alliance.
if your getting that much spam mail its your own fault plain and simple!
did you try adding the spammers to block list not sure if that will work but worth a try


DUDE...its like so easy to get 1 million...like DUDE....your smart.


Seriously...think you could put a little more effort into your argument...DUDE?

Kinda hard to predict who will spam you and who wont...not thinking this through are you.


All I'm saying is why not set it to 100 Million and have that money go into my/your pocket eh?

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