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The Archon Carrier, is it worth it?
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Kiryu Oranos
Unleashed' Fury
The Initiative.
#1 - 2012-01-02 11:28:18 UTC
Hey guys,
I'm fully trained for a carrier, and I was just wondering if its worth spending 800m + 150 to fit it, I would use it for PvE and Armor triage.
-Kiryu
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#2 - 2012-01-02 11:36:29 UTC
You have posted in the wrong section of the forum. I hope the moderators will move the thread to correct one.
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-01-02 12:06:00 UTC
yeah, wrong subforum.

However, to answer your question, using a carrier for PvE sounds like an excellent plan, if you could just give me the name of the system you plan to do this in I'll be along to see how well it goes for you.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#4 - 2012-01-02 12:18:29 UTC
You must be new to capitals.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#5 - 2012-01-02 13:24:09 UTC
I don't get it; you spent 3-4 months getting fully trained (hull, reps, rr, nrg trans) for an Archon and it only occurred to you now to ask if it is "worth it"?

For the sake of efficiency, you might want to reverse the order for your next lengthy skill plan Smile
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#6 - 2012-01-02 20:49:32 UTC
Hmmm... a ratting carrier...

...GOOD IDEA!

(chanced upon those while heading out for a null sec roam, while they are not archons, it wouldn't have made a difference Twisted)

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#7 - 2012-01-03 02:10:13 UTC
I once tackled and killed a thanny in a low sec belt with my revelation. That is all.Lol

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Brotha Umad
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-01-03 16:04:02 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:
Hmmm... a ratting carrier...

...GOOD IDEA!

(chanced upon those while heading out for a null sec roam, while they are not archons, it wouldn't have made a difference Twisted)


Quote:
I once tackled and killed a thanny in a low sec belt with my revelation. That is all.


Yeah this ship is useless and should be removed from the game, OP you'd better find one that no one ever ganked anywhere.
Good luck.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#9 - 2012-01-03 16:52:55 UTC
Archons are awesome and quite arguably the best armor triage carrier. For PVE you should probably have trained the Thanny - though I've been partial to sentry drones for PVE purposes which would make it not matter.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-03 17:01:17 UTC
An archon is perfectly viable for PvE. However, the PvE it is viable for is C5/C6 WH capital escalation, and assigning fighters to your alts while you sit on the edge of a POS shield in null. While some people use carriers actually in sites to clear them, I feel that this is a poor decision, unless you're in the backend of beyond with dozens of systems w/ intel coverage between you and any possible opposition (and even then I wouldn't recommend it... it isn't significantly better at clearing sites then a well fit faction battleship).

-Arazel
Aamrr
#11 - 2012-01-03 17:10:58 UTC
On the other hand, you can insure an Archon -- you can't very well insure a faction battleship.
Julia Connor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-01-03 17:47:35 UTC
I lold
AstarothPrime
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-04 15:34:56 UTC  |  Edited by: AstarothPrime
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
An archon is perfectly viable for PvE. However, the PvE it is viable for is C5/C6 WH capital escalation, and assigning fighters to your alts while you sit on the edge of a POS shield in null. While some people use carriers actually in sites to clear them, I feel that this is a poor decision, unless you're in the backend of beyond with dozens of systems w/ intel coverage between you and any possible opposition (and even then I wouldn't recommend it... it isn't significantly better at clearing sites then a well fit faction battleship).

-Arazel


Fact:
* it costs pretty much the same as well fit faction BS.

carrier PVE +
* "instawarp" capability in sov null if you are in range of any friendly cynogen - that means jumping ofc ;)
* jump capabilities make it great for moving your fleet of ships around
* no site / rat can break its tank no matter how wrong u fit it
* insurance pays u back 50% of total fielding costs, you get maybe 5% with faction BS
* fit 3 intertia stabs II in lows and it aligns as fast as armor tanked BS

carrier PVE -
* if they (enemy) catches you - you are doomed
* no MWD to escape tight situations
* anything smaller then BS instalocks you
* fighter costs 20M - losing a flight of 10 fighters HURTS
* you can instapop upon DD fired on you

Bottom line - once you get to know where and when to rat in carrier youll be amazed how good it can be.

I.

Edit P.S.

You will eventually lose both faction BS and carrier... insurance payout will definitely make carrier loss hurt a lot less.
If you dont wanna risk much - there is always T2 fit raven or drake available on market. Have fun
AstarothPrime
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-01-04 15:48:49 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
I once tackled and killed a thanny in a low sec belt with my revelation. That is all.Lol


You make it sound like its you look at carrier in your noobship and it explodes...

It aint like this. Semi well fit archon with cap repper and cap recharge rigs has around 4000 DPS perma tank and needs 4-5 large neuts to hurt its cap down to the point where he actually starts to feel the neuting.

If you solo popped carrier with subcap - he was definitely floating somewhere afk.
But then again - youll never see solo attacks on carriers - fleets of 20 are more likely

Regards

I.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-01-04 15:50:47 UTC
One other edge to knowing how to fly the Archon vs. a different carrier is it gives you more future flexibility to expand into advanced carrier tactics, if you decide to take up serious carrier flying that is.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#16 - 2012-01-04 18:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
All this talk about insuring your carrier and faction BS - that's totally silly talk unless you intend to neglect basic due diligence towards your personal safety. You have to remember that PVE ships don't pop that often and if your insurance expires you just wasted that ISK. And your insurance almost certainly will expire.

I'm really rather flabbergasted at how risk averse your average 0.0 denizen appears to be when compared to your average low sec denizen. People in low sec don't seem to blink over taking carriers into L5s and pimped out faction BS's into L4s and pimped out deadspace fit bombers into FW missions. And in a lot of ways the population density of hostiles in low sec is higher than that of 0.0.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#17 - 2012-01-04 18:29:54 UTC
AstarothPrime wrote:
King Rothgar wrote:
I once tackled and killed a thanny in a low sec belt with my revelation. That is all.Lol


You make it sound like its you look at carrier in your noobship and it explodes...

It aint like this. Semi well fit archon with cap repper and cap recharge rigs has around 4000 DPS perma tank and needs 4-5 large neuts to hurt its cap down to the point where he actually starts to feel the neuting.

If you solo popped carrier with subcap - he was definitely floating somewhere afk.
But then again - youll never see solo attacks on carriers - fleets of 20 are more likely

Regards

I.


I am pretty sure revelation is not a sub cap. Roll

And many ratting carrier killmails show them to have LAR fitted..
Brotha Umad
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-01-05 17:58:31 UTC
Kaanchana wrote:


And many ratting carrier killmails show them to have LAR fitted..

Duh, of course, because X-LAR does not exist.
Alua Oresson
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#19 - 2012-01-05 18:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Alua Oresson
Brotha Umad wrote:
Kaanchana wrote:


And many ratting carrier killmails show them to have LAR fitted..

Duh, of course, because X-LAR does not exist.


DUH and just in case someone wants to say they aren't in game... DUH

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Aamrr
#20 - 2012-01-05 18:17:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aamrr
Liang Nuren wrote:
All this talk about insuring your carrier and faction BS - that's totally silly talk unless you intend to neglect basic due diligence towards your personal safety. You have to remember that PVE ships don't pop that often and if your insurance expires you just wasted that ISK. And your insurance almost certainly will expire.

I'm really rather flabbergasted at how risk averse your average 0.0 denizen appears to be when compared to your average low sec denizen. People in low sec don't seem to blink over taking carriers into L5s and pimped out faction BS's into L4s and pimped out deadspace fit bombers into FW missions. And in a lot of ways the population density of hostiles in low sec is higher than that of 0.0.

-Liang


This all makes perfect sense...
...if that carrier is doing only PvE.

Carriers are multi-purpose. It's easy -- trivial, even -- to refit them from PvP to PvE at a moment's notice. And if you're regularly using that carrier for the benefit of your corporation or alliance, there's going to be enough risk to justify insuring it. If you can then leverage that insurance premium into making a profit, then so much the better.

I think you're missing the larger picture, Liang. People can use ships for more than one thing...Roll
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