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Hookbill or Comet?

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Xavi Mendosa
Zansha Industries
Brave Collective
#1 - 2017-08-01 14:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavi Mendosa
I'm trying to queue my skills for one of these ships but couldn't decide which way to go. Which one do you recommend between Caldari Navy Hookbill and Federation Navy Comet for solo roaming in lowsec ?

Edit : I'm so sorry, typed wrong ship name. It would be Hookbill, not Slicer.
Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
#2 - 2017-08-01 14:44:54 UTC
Really depends on your play style. One's brawler and another is kite/sniper.
Xavi Mendosa
Zansha Industries
Brave Collective
#3 - 2017-08-01 16:05:15 UTC
I'm so sorry, typed wrong ship name. It would be Hookbill, not Slicer.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2017-08-01 16:09:22 UTC
This game is varied and personal. In most cases there are no clear rights or wrongs or bests or worsts. Everything is situational and most stuff comes down to personal preferences and playstyles.

It was a difficult adjustment for me when I first came to this game from WoW where there was a formulaic way to do everything. In WoW there are leveling guides and dps guides etc... that tell you the best way to level or your best in slot gear or give standardized ways to kill bosses etc... None of that exists in Eve. It can be a little disorienting at first but I grew to love it.

Due to the exponential growth in training time for each skill level with no greater gain, it typically pays to diversify and have more options in this game than to focus on one thing.

PvP in this game has a lot to do with meta game meaning thinking about what your opponent is thinking about. To do that ( among other things ) you need to know not only what your ship is capable of but also what your opponent's ship is capable of.

Further due to the rock, paper, scissors nature of this game having options open to you is typically better than just being good at one ship or one fighting style etc...

As a result of all of the above and more I typically recommend that new players keep their skills general and stay in smaller ships. This way you can try out everything and get a feel for all the different piloting styles. If you want to be good in PvP in this game, then having flown your opponents ship can go a long way.

I also would not recommend that you start off PvPing in faction ships. To get good in this game you need experience and to gain experience and learn in this game requires loosing ships. You are far better off learning 100 cheap lessons than 10 expensive ones. What I am trying to say here is that if you need to ask this question then you probably should not be flying either of them at his point. Once you have developed your own personal piloting style then you will have a good idea which ship is better for you and wont' have to ask.

My main recommendation is to skill all the small ship and weapons skills up to 3 or maybe go to 4 after that if you are having fun with it. Try out all the different piloting styles like brawling versus kiting, shield versus armor, ewar, speed etc... You will gain a lot of knowledge and experience on that path and be a more versatile pilot as a result.

Keep in mind that your goal at this point should be learning and growth not winning. If you try to learn as much as you can the wins will eventually come. If you try to win as much as you can then the learning will be much slower and more painful.

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Xavi Mendosa
Zansha Industries
Brave Collective
#5 - 2017-08-02 18:54:49 UTC
I don't like this answer. I know, you wrote this reply with your best intention but it's extremely cliche like most of answers in this forum. There are even more numerical answers in the warcraft forum. This forum and especially this great community needs more numerical and guidance answers.

Just like;

  • Comet has Rails, Hookbill has missiles. If you think to kite and use keep at range, this means your opponent will pursue you with his top speed and has low treversal velocity. Missiles don't do much damage in this velocity but you can have better damage application in this scenario with rails.
  • Hookbill has 5 mid slot so can eaisly fit two web and also has velocity (so range) bonus for rockets. You can have almost full damage potantial with rockets even close orbit brawling and scram kiting range while has some tracking issues with rails.
  • There are many benefical shield and armor fit for Comet but most Hookbill fit depends on shield so Comet has much more surprise factor for your opponent.


or even;

* If you use Navy ships in FW, consider that most of pilot will escape when you reach to gate so you will have a chance to participate in fewer fights, think again.


But not like;

  • Bigger is not better
  • It's a holy cosmic Rock/Paper/Scissors game, keep praying
  • Don't fly what you can't afford
  • Best ship is friendship


We all already know these in the first month of the game. A Hookbill costs about 25M ISK with full T2 fit. Even I lost 2 of them in every single day of a month, it costs 1.5B ISK for a month which less than 500 PLEX, $20 in a month. I know, $20 might be incredibly high for some but at least half of the world can spend this amount just for pleasure in a month (Actually can spend much more).

Do not direct people to get cheaper all the time. Don't you have any music instrument? When you start to learn playing guitar or a piano, you don't buy the cheapest one. You buy the highest quality according to your budget. Because you need to enjoy it and not get bored before learn it. I remember, sometimes I just watched my guitars with pleasure then tried to play that hard piece that I could never play. You must FALL IN LOVE with your instrument before play it.

And for me; I'm playing FW for some and use Condor and Kestrel. Lost many of them and get some win. But most of time I faced with navy frigates so I had to escape from Plex. Probably I will lost most of time even in a navy frigate but at this time I will not escape and after some period, I will learn how to win and how to fly with these ships.

And also I like micro management. I like to decide when I heat my active tank and decide which instrument should I heat that stay side by side in my fit so I had to chose only one of them. Navy frigates have much more posibility which attracts me.

I used and lost some battleships. Because I want to use a bigger ship. I must admit that, THIS IS THE BEST THING I'VE DONE. I have no regrets, I ENJOYED EVERY SINGLE MOMENT. I also enjoyed watching the explosion and captured it. It stayed in the background of my screen for a long time.

Almost all my skills on missiles/rockets but I can spend a few thousand PLEX to get Gunnery skills if really worth it. I'm trying to understand if a Hookbill compete in every way with a Comet or do I need to spend my money and time to learn another ship to be a scram kiting/brawling king in the long term.
Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
#6 - 2017-08-02 19:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kosoku
I try my best to avoid long posts because it accomplishes hardly anything. People don't read long posts.

I see that you meant hookbill which changes things. If I were you, I'd use the hookbill for one simple reason: It has got far more meds.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2017-08-03 02:34:38 UTC
Xavi Mendosa wrote:
There are even more numerical answers in the warcraft forum. This forum and especially this great community needs more numerical and guidance answers.

WoW is a stats game Eve is not. WoW is a hyper balanced game where there are few differences between the classes and just a few percent more stats makes a huge difference. A level 1 character in WoW could not kill a level 100 character even if that level 100 went afk. In Eve a day 1 player in a frigate can blow up a 10 year old character in a Battleship.

Eve is not a stats based progression game like WoW. In WoW I can find out what the best in slot gear is or best spec or ideal rotation or best dps class etc... Nothing like that exists in this game. We don't have damage meters. We don't have add ons. We don't have balanced PvP where you queue up for a 3 v 3 arena match or a 40 man battle ground where all players are the same level with roughly equivalent gearscores.

Eve is a game where knowledge and situational awareness and having tricks up your sleeve is important.

If you are looking for WoW like advice in this game then you are going about it all wrong and would likely benefit from a perspective change.

Xavi Mendosa wrote:

We all already know these in the first month of the game.

This is the NC Q&A. This section of the forum is for new players. I wind up giving a lot of the same cliché answers again and again and again in here. Every day we have new players in this game that weren't around last month when I answered nearly the exact same question that they are asking me today.

I am not the best player of this game. I can not give good advice to more experienced players. I can however help very new players get used to the basics of the game and help them around many of the common mistakes that most players make in the first month or so of the game.

If you are looking for more advanced answers then maybe you should be posting in "Ships & Modules" instead of NC Q&A. I mean you can ask this question here just don't get upset with me when you get a new character type answer in the new character section of the forum.


Xavi Mendosa wrote:

Do not direct people to get cheaper all the time. Don't you have any music instrument? When you start to learn playing guitar or a piano, you don't buy the cheapest one. You buy the highest quality according to your budget. Because you need to enjoy it and not get bored before learn it. I remember, sometimes I just watched my guitars with pleasure then tried to play that hard piece that I could never play. You must FALL IN LOVE with your instrument before play it.


I do not have any music instrument no. However I fail to see what relevance that has here. Does your guitar blow every time you play it? I stick by my original comment that loosing 100 cheap ships is far better than loosing 10 expensive ones.

If you can afford to buy a bunch of PLEX and loose 1000 expensive ships without giving it a second thought than more power to you. However you are not going to win in solo combat early on in your Eve career. If you are at the point where you can win solo in PvP then you should not be asking questions in the NC Q&A at least not PvP questions.

I can not stress this enough. Eve is not a stats game it is a knowledge game. You don't learn from wins and you don't learn from being overpowered. You learn from being out numbered, out gunned and out classed and figuring out a way to hold your own against the odds.

If you are looking for the short cut to glory then you are playing the wrong game. It seems to me that you might be trying to play Eve from a WoW perspective and if you are then I suggest that there might be some good information for you in my last couple of posts if you let go of your preconceived notions and try a fresh perspective.

Regardless you don't have to read my posts you can just ignore me. However you are going to have a hard time convincing me that I was wrong to post a newbie answer in the NC Q&A.

Most importantly have fun and fly it like you stole it from your ex-wife in the divorce. Oh and welcome to new eden.

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