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Missions / Ratting in Caldari Space

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Maxi dela Tierra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2017-06-28 17:15:07 UTC
As it seems Caldari space is a thankful place for ratting/missions/combat sites. Picking ships with high KIN baseline resists + stacking KIN defense modules should make mitigating damage way easier than against other pirate factions.

I can imagine Caldari space is the most populated in New Eden because of these circumstances and Jita. My concerns are when moving there, the competition for scanning combat sites is quite high, people jumping my site, ninja looting my wrecks and such nuisance.

Would you guys recommend a long term pve career in the north or better not?

Thanks!
Memphis Baas
#2 - 2017-06-28 18:23:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
It used to be that Caldari agents offered missions against the Guristas pirates (they are the weak-to-kinetic pirates), and similarly each of the other empires had its own pirates (Sanshas, Angels, etc.) that matched weakness with the player's weapons (lasers, projectiles, etc.).

But a few years ago CCP randomized the missions, so now you have a pretty random chance to be sent against generic mercenaries, generic pirates, or any of the above organized crime groups.

The popularity of Caldari agents comes from the fact that they are Caldari Navy agents, and the Jita station is a Caldari Navy station, thus doing missions and getting standings = less taxes in Jita. It doesn't matter as much, now, because Citadels are used to off-shore the taxes, which renders the grind pointless.

The second reason for popularity is because missiles are easy mode (for PVE) and can be pre-fitted to match the weakness of the enemy. You read the mission text, you look up the resists of the NPCs you'll be facing, and you fit the correct missiles. Easy mode. Gallente can do the same with their drone ships, so they are popular too. Dodixie is a Gallente Navy station, but again it's not as busy as Jita, so fewer people grind for it.

So, if you're looking to do missions, where you can generate your mission as often as you want, and you get your own deadspace pocket for it, the only thing that will be different (Caldari vs. elsewhere) is the lag due to how many people are there. But if you're looking at exploration sites, most of high-sec is pretty bad in terms of competition, Caldari is the worst (it's got the most pilots in space).

Of course, if you move to less busy systems for exploration, you have the issue of having to transport the "good" loot to a market hub to make the most cash from it, which, given the suicide ganking squads of today, is a dangerous proposition, esp. if you have to cross empires and go through the 0.5 chokepoints. Best use courier contracts, or a well tanked T2 transport, or even a combat ship.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2017-06-29 02:04:49 UTC
One of the main reasons why Caldari space is so busy is because years ago before you had 3 remapps in your first year and when remapping was either more limited or non-existent and before the skill que and long before skill injectors, back when you had learning skills, the Caldari race had bloodlines that were born with the best combat training attributes. Therefore combat minded pilots were mostly Caldari. I think it was something like 75% or so of all pilots back then were Caldari.

As a result Caldari space became the busiest high sec space and therefore Jita the trade hub of the game. It has remained busy, I believe, largely just because that is were everyone lives so that is where everyone goes. Slowly over time high sec has become more spread out but I think you are mostly seeing holdovers from back in the day. What I mean is new players moving there because that is were everything is so busy attracts more people which makes it busier etc...

Now-a-days the other trade hubs have grown in comparison to Jita and space has evened out more, however Caldari space is still the busiest.

In reference to your questions I would not recommend a long term PvE career, certainly not in high sec. You will have to find your own playstyle and see what works for you. Where you live will depend on your goals and priorities and personal preferences. In the end you will need to decide for yourself.

If exploration is what you want to do many people say get out of high sec. I guess there is money to be made in combat exploration but the hacking sites disappear quickly in high sec.

Beyond that Eve is a open universe PvP, single shard, sandbox where PvE is just there to support the PvP. So don't look for PvE in this game to be as deep and engaging as it is in other themepark style MMOs.

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Jedidiah Togenada
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-06-29 03:50:28 UTC
I'm primarily scanning for WHs, in .5-.7 space, usually within 4-7 jumps from Jita. I frequently turn up unattended combat sites. Most of the folks I run into are miners (or lately, looking for drone swarms, thank Bob that's done!). It seems like it's more of a weekend thing. That seems to be true of just about everywhere in HiSec.

Like most things in Eve, ...you won't really know if it works for you, until you try it (several times). JMO.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2017-06-29 15:36:44 UTC
it's pretty easy to specific tank to pretty much any npc group, also I wouldn't neglect the thermal side of guristas, all their elite ships shoot therm missiles, and their guns do some therm too. If anything gurista jams make them one of the most annoying npcs to fight. Most weapon types are good at shooting into the local rat's resist holes, so I wouldn't worry too much about that either. Guristas drop good shield mods so they are a popular target for exploration, note that sometime soon™ sansha are swapping to shield from armor so that might shift exploration rewards a bit.

For mission running Caldari LP stores have a few decent items like the 5 run bcu bpc, but they don't have any great agents either. for mission running I'd suggest looking elsewhere. Laangisi is the best place to run missions right now, it's SoE LP, a low truesec 0.5 for max lp, and a dead end constellation. All the navy stores are in competition with the FW stores, so the navy stores typically don't have good conversions. Might be worth it to grind some navy standings for trade hub fees, but not worth it to keep going for the LP. As said the mission pool is diluted enough I wouldn't count on mainly getting missions vs guristas in caldari space, there are a ton of missions vs other npcs.

caldari space has great access to trade hubs given jita is in caldari space and armarr and dodixie are both pretty close. it makes sense to manufacture there as you can easily move the finished products to whichever trade hub you want. Also caldari space has good access to the north and east 0.0 regions, and then via the amarr pipeline it isn't too far from the south either. And using jump freighters it's well pretty close to everything.

with all the manufacturing it makes sense to mine in caldari space, easy to move the ore/minerals to jita. Haven't looked at highsec ore balance in a while, but I think caldari space has a few of the highest value highsec ores. Even with code ganking miners all the time they still mine caldari space in great numbers.

I mainly have stuff in caldari space in Jita, it's pretty much all about the trade hub access for me. Used to do missions too, but they mostly got killed. Check out the system Irjunen. used to be 100+ people there pretty much all the time, last time I was there, it was a 0.5 system with a high quality CPF agent. With FW the LP store crashed, and everyone left. Sure there was always better LP around but high quality + 0.5 was near max LP payouts, and with a decent LP store that was okay.

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Maxi dela Tierra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2017-06-29 15:52:39 UTC
Thanks for all the information guys.

Probably i will think about which ratting ship i want to fly and chose the region according to the corresponding pirate faction then. Like if i'd go for a Machariel probably Minmatar / Angel space is the place to go.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#7 - 2017-06-29 16:53:08 UTC
Maxi dela Tierra wrote:
Thanks for all the information guys.

Probably i will think about which ratting ship i want to fly and chose the region according to the corresponding pirate faction then. Like if i'd go for a Machariel probably Minmatar / Angel space is the place to go.

mach is good everywhere Bear

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-06-29 17:24:39 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:


with all the manufacturing it makes sense to mine in caldari space, easy to move the ore/minerals to jita. Haven't looked at highsec ore balance in a while, but I think caldari space has a few of the highest value highsec ores. Even with code ganking miners all the time they still mine caldari space in great numbers.


I have not minned in high sec in many years. However when I first started playing this game mining within about 5 or so jumps of Jita was what I did most. The above quote is what I was thinking back then. However I eventually found out that availability of ore is far more of a factor than the value of the ore. Back then I had to bounce from pebble to pebble often not being able to complete a full cycle on a rock. Even paying good attention and being very active with the roid scanner you are lucky if you can get much over 80% of projected yield from full up time on the lazors.

However Chainsaw is correct that having to move ore great distances to sell it can cut into your profits as well. In the end you will have to use your own judgment to figure out what is a good balance between ore availability and transportation costs of getting the ore or finished good to market. The tools that you have available to you will all figure into this.

I just wanted to make this post as a caution that chasing after ore which is worth 10% more may or may not be worth it. If you are bouncing from belt to belt spending most of your time in warp to get the highest value per m3 of ore your isk / hour will likely be low. Like wise if you are sitting on the same giant spodumain rock for hours with 100% yield but you are deep in null sec without access to a jump freighter then that might not be worth it either. You will have to find your own level of compromise.

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Maxi dela Tierra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-06-29 17:28:14 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:


with all the manufacturing it makes sense to mine in caldari space, easy to move the ore/minerals to jita. Haven't looked at highsec ore balance in a while, but I think caldari space has a few of the highest value highsec ores. Even with code ganking miners all the time they still mine caldari space in great numbers.


I have not minned in high sec in many years. However when I first started playing this game mining within about 5 or so jumps of Jita was what I did most. The above quote is what I was thinking back then. However I eventually found out that availability of ore is far more of a factor than the value of the ore. Back then I had to bounce from pebble to pebble often not being able to complete a full cycle on a rock. Even paying good attention and being very active with the roid scanner you are lucky if you can get much over 80% of projected yield from full up time on the lazors.

However Chainsaw is correct that having to move ore great distances to sell it can cut into your profits as well. In the end you will have to use your own judgment to figure out what is a good balance between ore availability and transportation costs of getting the ore or finished good to market. The tools that you have available to you will all figure into this.

I just wanted to make this post as a caution that chasing after ore which is worth 10% more may or may not be worth it. If you are bouncing from belt to belt spending most of your time in warp to get the highest value per m3 of ore your isk / hour will likely be low. Like wise if you are sitting on the same giant spodumain rock for hours with 100% yield but you are deep in null sec without access to a jump freighter then that might not be worth it either. You will have to find your own level of compromise.


I've walked the mining road...

N.e.v.e.r.a.g.a.i.n !
Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
#10 - 2017-06-29 20:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kosoku
Caldari as a race was popular to begin with.

And Clear Sky episodes helped it further for a time. (Hint: The famous Caldari carrier last stand in episode 3.)

And then there is Caldari lore. (Hint: Yakiya Tovil-Toba)
Tyrrell Caitiff
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-07-05 10:01:12 UTC
I like my calm remote highsec Gallente Systems with about 3 visitors... I was able to mine a rare ore site with a venture: in consecutive 6 runs i just met some pirate scouts who got handled by my drones.
That was freedom, it's like sitting on the porch enjoying nice weather Cool
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2017-07-05 16:19:30 UTC
If you're looking to do an Exploration career, the main aspect is being able to travel quickly and easily on a moments notice. I suggest setting up various routes in different regions and if one route seems dead due to competition, go check a different route. Also run the routes at different times. After a while you'll know when the best time is to run each route.

When I say route, I'm talking about a chain of systems, basically a dozen or so, that's connected together requiring the least amount of jumps needed to scan them. Also when creating the routes, look for deadend cul-de-sac and pipeline systems that are off the main traffic paths away from major trade and mission hubs. Those systems will usually have a lot more sites.

Use the Star Map to check system stats for population amount, jumps, kills, etc. Contrary to what others say, you can still make good ISK from doing high sec exploration, just need to have various routes set up and be able to travel quickly, as well as scan and complete the sites asap. Minimize the amount of stuff you carry and also the need for switching ships.

I use a Loki set up with Omni resists and carry a couple of small secure cans in it loaded with equipment and munitions. My defensive travel fit is changed to a scanning fit and I'll scan multiple systems and bookmark all the sites. If the route seems empty or has a lot of competition, I'll go to another route. If it has a lot of sites I'll then fit up for combat and run the sites. Doesn't matter if a few sites end up with other players running them, just warp to the next site and run it. You've already got a jump start on those few other players and eventually you'll be jumps away from them while they're scanning down empty systems that you've just recently cleared out.

Good luck to you.


DMC
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2017-07-07 00:26:21 UTC
Maxi dela Tierra wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:


with all the manufacturing it makes sense to mine in caldari space, easy to move the ore/minerals to jita. Haven't looked at highsec ore balance in a while, but I think caldari space has a few of the highest value highsec ores. Even with code ganking miners all the time they still mine caldari space in great numbers.


I have not minned in high sec in many years. However when I first started playing this game mining within about 5 or so jumps of Jita was what I did most. The above quote is what I was thinking back then. However I eventually found out that availability of ore is far more of a factor than the value of the ore. Back then I had to bounce from pebble to pebble often not being able to complete a full cycle on a rock. Even paying good attention and being very active with the roid scanner you are lucky if you can get much over 80% of projected yield from full up time on the lazors.

However Chainsaw is correct that having to move ore great distances to sell it can cut into your profits as well. In the end you will have to use your own judgment to figure out what is a good balance between ore availability and transportation costs of getting the ore or finished good to market. The tools that you have available to you will all figure into this.

I just wanted to make this post as a caution that chasing after ore which is worth 10% more may or may not be worth it. If you are bouncing from belt to belt spending most of your time in warp to get the highest value per m3 of ore your isk / hour will likely be low. Like wise if you are sitting on the same giant spodumain rock for hours with 100% yield but you are deep in null sec without access to a jump freighter then that might not be worth it either. You will have to find your own level of compromise.


I've walked the mining road...

N.e.v.e.r.a.g.a.i.n !

exactly. A lot of running around for what ends up being pennies. I very quickly decided mining just wasn't worth it.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter