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KR Bug?

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#1 - 2017-06-18 00:55:41 UTC
07 y'all!

Is there a known issue with activating kill rights, particularly when they're set to 0? See following thread of in-game e-mails. Also, when answering questions from players even newer than me about making kill rights available, I've noticed the following issue. Char Sheet > Interactions > Kill Rights, then under 'Your Kill Rights' click a drop-down menu and select 'Make available to ...'. In the ‘Make Kill Right Available’ window that follows, you cannot use the text box to search, you cannot drag and drop, and the ‘Make Available’ button does not enable. The button seems to fail occasionally with the other selections ('Make available to all' etc.) but more than 50% of the time with 'Make available to ...'. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?

Regards,
Cochise

Re: Misused KR?
From: Thomas en Chasteaux
Sent: 2017.06.13 15:09
To: Captain Axewound, Cochise Chiricahua,

Not sure, but there has been some weirdness that I am concerned about.

Too often we have been seeing KRs for 0 or very cheap. You try to activate it, and nothing happens. You check the KR button once more, and now the KR amount is huge.

I don't understand the "scam".

Is it really possible people are trying to activate, failing, then spamming the activate once more without really checking the amount?

And...
What the hell is going on? How does that happen?

Last night, I saw a KR of 0. I passive locked and spammed F1 while activating the KR.
Nothing happened.
I checked the KR again, and now it said 40M

I asked Sarah and Armand to check. They said it still showed as a zero KR.
They each clicked it, nothing happened.
Checked it again, now it showed the 40M KR.

What scam/exploit/Fubar mechanic is going on?

Is this a situation where when you enter the grid, it loads the KR -once- into everyone's client? Then as the little bastard is landing and exiting warp, or undocking, he quickly switches the KR to a different one?

Because it sure seems that way, and it only changes the amount displayed when each person tries to activate it, though it was already removed at the server level.

Annoying, at the least.

o7


Misused KR?
From: Cochise Chiricahua
Sent: 2017.06.13 15:08
To: Thomas en Chasteaux, Captain Axewound

07!

During that battle in Amarr tonight, I received a notice that my KR against Rion Holliday had been used. I find this curious because I'd made it available only to The Inglourious Bastards. I was busy with the Hyperion so I'm sure I didn't activate it. At first I thought maybe Armand, Sarah, or Thomas activated it by mistake, but none of them are IB. One of the pilots involved in the battle with the Hyperion, Honzifox, is the one who destroyed Rion Holliday. https://zkillboard.com/kill/62905623/ And he did it outside Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy, where we were battling the Hyperion, and while Rion Holliday just happened to be in a Velator. My game logs don't show who activated the KR.

Is there some KR mechanic at work here that I'm not familiar with, or is somebody juggling alts, or is this worthy of a support ticket?

Thanks,
Cochise
#2 - 2017-06-18 02:06:41 UTC
inb4 delete

also, working as intended :)

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#3 - 2017-06-18 03:29:54 UTC
funny trying to activate a killright on -5.0 or below characters when they are freely shootable anyway.

antigankers fail again
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#4 - 2017-06-18 10:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme Sake
Killed a Brutix with a kr, podded the pilot and the after that he got killed by mercs on gate twice while still suspect and trying to leave the system. After all this saga the kr was still present showing the initial value so it is definitely a bug.

About the changing value the kr is owned by alt and initially set it to 0 on purpose then changed it to a biger value. If you don't leave the cluster and return you'll see the initial value until you try to activate it. If you try to activate it you'll get the message kr no longer available. It's just a scam meant to annoy you into clicking blindly on the kr button expecting you don't notice the change in isk value thus depositing isk into alts wallet..

If you make a kr you own available to everyone and it gets activated but you do not destroy the ship. The suspect can always dock and undock in a shuttle or rookie ship and get blown up getting rid of it and that is what happened in your case.

To avoid all hassle with a kr you own, don't make it available to anyone and hunt the ship by yourself. Make sure the target is not in not on gate, station/citadel grid, lock your target, activate the k, scram and shoot. Simple as that.

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#5 - 2017-06-23 20:36:17 UTC
hmm enabling kr not had much chance to do that so no expert although AG had a phase of ganking my scout alts scanning in disposable tagging scanners, latterly the AG folks lost at least 2 freighters in jita to my kr and vaguely remember a third :) as well as a lot of BS and suchlike . so moral of the story always assign the kr with a isk value \o/

the 0 isk kr "scam" isn't a scam its just you were on grid /insystem with the ganker and he had a 0 isk kr which was activated and removed. now when he comes back you show him as 0 isk kr but he has moved to the next kr in his list, which is maybe 0 isk or 40 mill isk or 100 bill

when you click to accept it tells you how much

Cochise Chiricahua wrote:
07 y'all!

Is there a known issue with activating kill rights, particularly when they're set to 0? See following thread of in-game e-mails. Also, when answering questions from players even newer than me about making kill rights available, I've noticed the following issue. Char Sheet > Interactions > Kill Rights, then under 'Your Kill Rights' click a drop-down menu and select 'Make available to ...'. In the ‘Make Kill Right Available’ window that follows, you cannot use the text box to search, you cannot drag and drop, and the ‘Make Available’ button does not enable. The button seems to fail occasionally with the other selections ('Make available to all' etc.) but more than 50% of the time with 'Make available to ...'. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?

Regards,
Cochise

Re: Misused KR?
From: Thomas en Chasteaux
Sent: 2017.06.13 15:09
To: Captain Axewound, Cochise Chiricahua,

Not sure, but there has been some weirdness that I am concerned about.

Too often we have been seeing KRs for 0 or very cheap. You try to activate it, and nothing happens. You check the KR button once more, and now the KR amount is huge.

I don't understand the "scam".

Is it really possible people are trying to activate, failing, then spamming the activate once more without really checking the amount?

And...
What the hell is going on? How does that happen?

Last night, I saw a KR of 0. I passive locked and spammed F1 while activating the KR.
Nothing happened.
I checked the KR again, and now it said 40M

I asked Sarah and Armand to check. They said it still showed as a zero KR.
They each clicked it, nothing happened.
Checked it again, now it showed the 40M KR.

What scam/exploit/Fubar mechanic is going on?

Is this a situation where when you enter the grid, it loads the KR -once- into everyone's client? Then as the little bastard is landing and exiting warp, or undocking, he quickly switches the KR to a different one?

Because it sure seems that way, and it only changes the amount displayed when each person tries to activate it, though it was already removed at the server level.

Annoying, at the least.

o7


Misused KR?
From: Cochise Chiricahua
Sent: 2017.06.13 15:08
To: Thomas en Chasteaux, Captain Axewound

07!

During that battle in Amarr tonight, I received a notice that my KR against Rion Holliday had been used. I find this curious because I'd made it available only to The Inglourious Bastards. I was busy with the Hyperion so I'm sure I didn't activate it. At first I thought maybe Armand, Sarah, or Thomas activated it by mistake, but none of them are IB. One of the pilots involved in the battle with the Hyperion, Honzifox, is the one who destroyed Rion Holliday. https://zkillboard.com/kill/62905623/ And he did it outside Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy, where we were battling the Hyperion, and while Rion Holliday just happened to be in a Velator. My game logs don't show who activated the KR.

Is there some KR mechanic at work here that I'm not familiar with, or is somebody juggling alts, or is this worthy of a support ticket?

Thanks,
Cochise

#6 - 2017-06-23 21:07:34 UTC
Something something posting mails something something waiting for lock.

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#7 - 2017-06-28 10:35:22 UTC
I don't know if this qualifies as a bug, but I do know that the killright status of ships in space does not update immediately. Many times hanging around a station, I would pop a cheap killright, kill the pilot, and when they undocked 15 minutes later, no longer suspect, the old kill right shows as still available. However, when you go to pop that one, you get a little UI box that says something to the effect of "Kill right is no longer available." A few minutes later, the killright would disappear on its own with no action on my part.

I've seen the same thing where a killright that shows up as free jumps in price once I actually try to activate it and I suspect that it's the same issue: something in-game updating more slowly than our twitchy kill fingers.

Side note: Any time you're playing Killright games, limit the amount of ISK in your wallet to 100mil or so, and keep the rest either on an alt or in a corp wallet. It's a fabulous firewall against massive killrights.

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#8 - 2017-06-28 10:53:08 UTC
It can take up to 5 minutes (or rarely, up to 15 minutes) for a KR to update.

It all depends on server lag, whether the hamsters have gone on strike, the phase of the Moon, or if CCP Guard is drinking heavily again and losing at the track.

YMMV

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#9 - 2017-06-29 17:04:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
I had this happen to me, activated a 0 ISK kill right and got hit for 50m. I petitioned it and nothing from CCP, so when I accepted kill rights after that I transfer all my ISK out unless it is the amount that the KR shows and that is it. It is bugged to hell and some people are exploiting the hell out of it.

You should do a support ticket, unlikely to get anything out of it, but still one can hope...

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