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Hi sec war deccers (pvp carebears)

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KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#1 - 2017-06-07 18:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: KnightGuard Fury
why do you guys perma dec people for little to no reason? my other corp has been decked for a few weeks now and its annoying because we have things we want to get done, stuff we need to transfer ownership to etc.

especially when your not even killing us or messing with anything of ours... there's not much of a point except wasting our time.
Zanar Skwigelf
Wormhoppers Inc.
#2 - 2017-06-07 18:05:47 UTC
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
why do you guys perma dec people for no reason?



KnightGuard Fury wrote:
theres literally no point except wasting our time.


Is it no reason, or are they wasting your time? Please don't contradict yourself.

Also, last I checked some people like shooting spaceships without having to travel far from Jita.
KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#3 - 2017-06-07 18:11:12 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
why do you guys perma dec people for no reason?



KnightGuard Fury wrote:
theres literally no point except wasting our time.


Is it no reason, or are they wasting your time? Please don't contradict yourself.

Also, last I checked some people like shooting spaceships without having to travel far from Jita.


yes, but when the people deccing dont kill most the people they war dec, why even dec at all?
ScanAlt
Doomheim
#4 - 2017-06-07 18:19:44 UTC
Apparently they catch enough folks for it to be enjoyable for them, or I don't think they'd bother shelling out the ISK for the wardec fees.
Teckos Pech
Patriotic Tendencies
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2017-06-07 18:20:33 UTC
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
why do you guys perma dec people for no reason?



KnightGuard Fury wrote:
theres literally no point except wasting our time.


Is it no reason, or are they wasting your time? Please don't contradict yourself.

Also, last I checked some people like shooting spaceships without having to travel far from Jita.


yes, but when the people deccing dont kill most the people they war dec, why even dec at all?


It is a numbers game. You dec lots of people, hopefully some show up in a trade up or on the trade lanes. You then shoot them.

Your beef is with CCP, they have made various changes to the game that have made this style of play much more prevalent than in the past.

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Delta122
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-06-07 18:22:39 UTC
You will also find some people who will do it to **** a corp off enough to pay the Waring corp to leave them alone.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#7 - 2017-06-07 18:25:52 UTC
Some wardecs are opportunistic - looking for cheap kills. Some are mercenary - people pay them to do it. Maybe you have a competitor who wants you out of the way for a while.

Learn how to live with wardecs. Ships like the Astero can be used to travel safely and out of corp ALTS can do your hauling.

Another option is move to sovereign nullsec - they are unlikely to chase you there!
Toxic Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-06-07 18:30:56 UTC
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
why do you guys perma dec people for no reason?



KnightGuard Fury wrote:
theres literally no point except wasting our time.


Is it no reason, or are they wasting your time? Please don't contradict yourself.

Also, last I checked some people like shooting spaceships without having to travel far from Jita.


yes, but when the people deccing dont kill most the people they war dec, why even dec at all?


Because there is odd the chance that they will get a kill and the victim will post on the forums about it. Pirate

Seriously though, the reason may not be clear to you but most wardeccers will have a reason to declare war, be it reviewing a corporation/alliance's killboards to see if they are easy prey, seeing them using in corp freighters/orcas, flying blinged out mission fits, smack talking, contracts, you name it. Wars exist in their current form because CCP wants them to be open to interpretation and storytelling, even if they often times don't have any interesting context.

tl;dr They want content.

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KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#9 - 2017-06-07 18:35:26 UTC  |  Edited by: KnightGuard Fury
well, their original reason was "join us or get decc'd" but at this point in time they really still have no reason to lol. and if they dec any corps i create im just purposely wasting their isk

i get that they want content but they arent getting it from us.
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#10 - 2017-06-07 18:42:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Teckos Pech wrote:


Your beef is with CCP, they have made various changes to the game that have made this style of play much more prevalent than in the past.


I'm going to take this opportunity to grind an axe (what? who me? no one would ever expect that! Big smile). This goes out to all those "CHANGE IT' people.

CCP made those changes, changes that many people asked for and agreed with when told about them, in an attempt to make the situation "better". People complained to high heavens about war decs, and CCP obliged them by making changes that forum posters were sure would curb the bad things about war decs while amplifying the good. The"Change it now" folks not only rejoiced, they looked at war deccers and basically said "haw, take that, your pitiful war dec status quo is about to CHANGE ha ha".

Turns out that those changes made things worse. Not for the War Deccers mind you, they just adapted to the new war dec rules. No, the changes made it worse for everyone else, no instead of war deccers analysing trade and system traffic and finding vulnerable corps to war dec, they just random war dec EVERYONE and how something shakes out. And it does, the past changes to war decs not only made things worse for the people who were supposed to be helped, they probably made life easier and more lucrative for the war deccers....

I always like to recall how this happened with Goons and Dominion sov and how the 'small group' anti Goon types were sooo sure that DOMINION SOV was going to kick Goons right in the pants when in fact it turned out to be such a serious boon to Goons that their empire lasted years longer than it would have under the old pre-Dominion system. Those "goons are gonna get it now" folks who were celebrating the idea of dominion helping 'the little guy) actually turned into freaking GOON SLAVES (renters).


Which leads me to the whole point of the ranting above. You simply cannot make the naive, utopian, overly optimistic "CHANGE IT" types understand that sometimes "change" is more likely to screw you than help you., and that you cannot 'change' human nature.

Every time someone tries to explain to the change crowd that it won't work the way they think it will ( that the most probable outcome is that everyone BUT the targeted people will get screwed if the crack pot idea they)hold onto ever comes to fruition), you get the exact same responses.

"You are just afraid of change"

"You just want to maintain the status quo because you benefit from it"

"you hate the new players who will flood the game when the big change to 'X" (X being the bad/evil thing,. war decs, ganking, cloaky camping, scams, awoxxing, etc etc) happens"

At this point I've learned to just let it happen for the most part, because while I don't like a lot of what CCP is doing with EVE, I've learned that it is at least enjoyable to watch the "change it!" crowd get screwed over when CCP gives them the exact thing they were asking for... Twisted
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#11 - 2017-06-07 18:45:59 UTC
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
well, their original reason was "join us or get decc'd" but at this point in time they really still have no reason to lol. and if they dec any corps i create im just purposely wasting their isk

i get that they want content but they arent getting it from us.


That depends. If they War decced you to get a response from you, your post on this forum just handed them a win.
KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#12 - 2017-06-07 18:49:53 UTC  |  Edited by: KnightGuard Fury
Jenn aSide wrote:
KnightGuard Fury wrote:
well, their original reason was "join us or get decc'd" but at this point in time they really still have no reason to lol. and if they dec any corps i create im just purposely wasting their isk

i get that they want content but they arent getting it from us.


That depends. If they War decced you to get a response from you, your post on this forum just handed them a win.


but its not to get a responce from us. that was their main reason...
im just asking why people do this sort of thing

also i think war decs should be a ships destroyed per decc kind of thing. if you kill a certain amount of ships depending on the corp/alliance size of the people you dec then you can keep the war dec.
Skorpynekomimi
#13 - 2017-06-07 18:49:55 UTC
My corp was hit by them a while ago, and I figured out their model.

It is, basically, griefing. They wardec multiple corps at once, forcing you to shut down missioning and mining and hauling. This costs you money in loss of income and in courier fees.
Then, every so often, some dumbass undocks from a trade hub while they're online in something expensive and untanked, and they get a shiny kill with lots of loot drops. Maybe they've ganked your Noctis coming back from a mission loaded with meta4 items, maybe they get a shiny mission boat with a hole in it's resists due to rats, or maybe they get a hauler full of trade goods. That's what keeps 10+ people logged in and watching trade hubs in expensive faction hulls.

Economic PVP

KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#14 - 2017-06-07 18:55:53 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
My corp was hit by them a while ago, and I figured out their model.

It is, basically, griefing. They wardec multiple corps at once, forcing you to shut down missioning and mining and hauling. This costs you money in loss of income and in courier fees.
Then, every so often, some dumbass undocks from a trade hub while they're online in something expensive and untanked, and they get a shiny kill with lots of loot drops. Maybe they've ganked your Noctis coming back from a mission loaded with meta4 items, maybe they get a shiny mission boat with a hole in it's resists due to rats, or maybe they get a hauler full of trade goods. That's what keeps 10+ people logged in and watching trade hubs in expensive faction hulls.


well besides me making our KB horrible we dont really give them ANY content as of like a week or 2 ago...

https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98487371/

and my people dont even log in all too much so im the only one thats super active because im actually doing things in industry and mining. other than that they never going to get content out of us. also we rarely go to jita unless its for selling things, let alone undocking in something expensive lol
KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#15 - 2017-06-07 18:56:46 UTC
^^^ that was me having fun welping ships btw
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#16 - 2017-06-07 18:57:31 UTC
Moved to Crime and Punishment.

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#17 - 2017-06-07 19:03:47 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Another option is move to sovereign nullsec - they are unlikely to chase you there!

Anything that requires leaving highsec is enough Roll

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

KnightGuard Fury
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#18 - 2017-06-07 19:05:37 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Do Little wrote:
Another option is move to sovereign nullsec - they are unlikely to chase you there!

Anything that requires leaving highsec is enough Roll


actually low sec is right next door but were not ready to legit move in yet.
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Doomheim
#19 - 2017-06-07 19:10:45 UTC
What u mean not ready? Just pack your luggage and move in. Pirates are very helpful in eve, die a few times and make friends. Sooner or later you will realise just how fun eve can be once you leave highsec.

Yarrr!!

Pirate
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2017-06-07 21:06:31 UTC
You're calling them Carebears, but you're the ones not doing what you want to do?

Typical Carebear right there. Too dumb to see how arse backwards they have it.

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