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The Sack of Romi

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The-Culture
#1 - 2017-05-17 21:02:51 UTC
Wednesday 17th at 20:00 Eve time Our Home ,
The Fortizar “ Event Horizon “ in Romi,
hit its structure timer.
P I R A T endeavourd to murder it and we murdered them right back.

Now, i have a couple of reasons for posting this here,

I feel it necessary to publicise how this has come to be. (e.i. Talk smack and point fingers)
Use this as an opportunity to comment about the state of play. (Soliloquise bitterly about our small part of eve)

Yes ,
We have a Massive punching bag in space,
It's been there for ages,
It's always been vulnerable right in between EU and US prime time
and yes ,
We fully expected it to burn sooner or later,

But I'll be Damned if it’s those Hubhumping Degenerates that take it from us.


Now , onto the finger pointing and name calling.

Devil’s and Vendetta have ,for years now, been Blue with one another.
This was our only non contractual blue
and was based off of mutual respect for,
the work we did,
our ability to do it,
how we conducted ourselves both as players and as businesses,
and goes back further than i've even been playing.
This ends today.
For a couple of reasons,

First and Foremost

Their Word and Blue is Worthless
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6931597#post6931597
In particular : trying to focus on disbanding a blue

We had a scrap with P I R A T a while back,
they won ,
we lost some stuff,
we left them be.

That's wasn't enough for them, they came for our Home.

If that's not a clear and explicit demonstration of the same motivation,
The exact same motivation Vendetta used to justify jumping on Marmite,
then i do not know what is.

The transparent hypocrisy of Vendetta stating that they will not stand for
Marmite trying to focus on disbanding a blue
While
P I R A T focus on disbanding a blue they have had a longer standing agreement with by several years is frankly Damning .


Second ,
They have lost our respect on all counts.
They are synonymous with the sort of hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery
that ensures none of us are taken seriously by the rest of the community
and the exact type of bullshite ive been vocally against since forever .

Raz posted his concerns here months ago about the direction our little industry was headed
and vendetta in my eyes have come to exemplify those concerns.
Now i know full well there are some in the alliance that this is unfair to level at and for that i apologize.

In our little part of eve,
we are only worth as much as our word ,
For us anyway, theirs has none.
Vendetta Mercenary Group
#2 - 2017-05-17 21:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Natural CloneKiller
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Wednesday 17th at 20:00 Eve time Our Home ,
The Fortizar “ Event Horizon “ in Romi,
hit its structure timer.
P I R A T endeavourd to murder it and we murdered them right back.

Now, i have a couple of reasons for posting this here,

I feel it necessary to publicise how this has come to be. (e.i. Talk smack and point fingers)
Use this as an opportunity to comment about the state of play. (Soliloquise bitterly about our small part of eve)

Yes ,
We have a Massive punching bag in space,
It's been there for ages,
It's always been vulnerable right in between EU and US prime time
and yes ,
We fully expected it to burn sooner or later,

But I'll be Damned if it’s those Hubhumping Degenerates that take it from us.


Now , onto the finger pointing and name calling.

Devil’s and Vendetta have ,for years now, been Blue with one another.
This was our only non contractual blue
and was based off of mutual respect for,
the work we did,
our ability to do it,
how we conducted ourselves both as players and as businesses,
and goes back further than i've even been playing.
This ends today.
For a couple of reasons,

First and Foremost

Their Word and Blue is Worthless
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6931597#post6931597
In particular : trying to focus on disbanding a blue

We had a scrap with P I R A T a while back,
they won ,
we lost some stuff,
we left them be.

That's wasn't enough for them, they came for our Home.

If that's not a clear and explicit demonstration of the same motivation,
The exact same motivation Vendetta used to justify jumping on Marmite,
then i do not know what is.

The transparent hypocrisy of Vendetta stating that they will not stand for
Marmite trying to focus on disbanding a blue
While
P I R A T focus on disbanding a blue they have had a longer standing agreement with by several years is frankly Damning .


Second ,
They have lost our respect on all counts.
They are synonymous with the sort of hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery
that ensures none of us are taken seriously by the rest of the community
and the exact type of bullshite ive been vocally against since forever .

Raz posted his concerns here months ago about the direction our little industry was headed
and vendetta in my eyes have come to exemplify those concerns.
Now i know full well there are some in the alliance that this is unfair to level at and for that i apologize.

In our little part of eve,
we are only worth as much as our word ,
For us anyway, theirs has none.


War is in. You are an idiot.
The-Culture
#3 - 2017-05-17 21:16:32 UTC
#4 - 2017-05-17 21:17:29 UTC
Natural CloneKiller wrote:

Your


kek

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...

#5 - 2017-05-17 21:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
WAIT


Am I back in the merc drama again?!


Also 8/5 to natural for totally a making logically, bold and well thought out points to deliver a statement on VMG's behalf that they are iiiiinnnn fact, hood rats.
#DeleteTheWeak
Circle-Of-Two
#6 - 2017-05-17 22:03:43 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:

Your


kek

Is Fybs Back???

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

The-Culture
#7 - 2017-05-17 22:04:53 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Mortlake wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:

Your


kek

Is Fybs Back???

yeah we let him out of the cage for the evening.
Circle-Of-Two
#8 - 2017-05-17 22:06:55 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Mortlake wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:

Your


kek

Is Fybs Back???

yeah we let him out of the cage for the evening.

I'm so hard right now

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#9 - 2017-05-17 22:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Fybs
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Mortlake wrote:
Natural CloneKiller wrote:

Your


kek

Is Fybs Back???


Hey bud

Iv been in-active for around 6 months

But when i found out on sunday our fort was going to die i could not bring myself to do nothing against Pirat.

Me and Mortlake fighting together in SCA. again was also very cool Cool

Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

Proud CEO of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Vendetta Mercenary Group
#10 - 2017-05-18 00:51:09 UTC
I don't get the drama. I love you Ralph but the comparison you're making is not the same. There's a lot more to things I'm sure..there always is. I don't get why, if the situation was $hitty to begin with, you would want to complicate it with an angry judgement. This whole thing puzzles me and isn't good for anyone.

I don't claim to know all the details by any means..but this seems like a bad decision made on stewing tentions and snap judgement.

I am not leadership nor do I have any desire to be, so my opinion doesn't matter. I will say though, there were better ways to handle the situation. That's all I have to say on the matter.. What?

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Short Bus Mercenaries.
#11 - 2017-05-18 01:51:05 UTC
Ralph demonstrates time and time again that his mouth cannot be controlled.

If you frenchfry when you should pizza, you're going to have a bad time.

Circle-Of-Two
#12 - 2017-05-18 02:16:08 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
I don't get the drama. I love you Ralph but the comparison you're making is not the same. There's a lot more to things I'm sure..there always is. I don't get why, if the situation was $hitty to begin with, you would want to complicate it with an angry judgement. This whole thing puzzles me and isn't good for anyone.

I don't claim to know all the details by any means..but this seems like a bad decision made on stewing tentions and snap judgement.

I am not leadership nor do I have any desire to be, so my opinion doesn't matter. I will say though, there were better ways to handle the situation. That's all I have to say on the matter.. What?

There is never a better way in eve than the way of the explosion

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

The-Culture
#13 - 2017-05-18 02:54:35 UTC
Really sad that I had to be sleeping when this happened, but twelve hour shift at work and stuff... had to get at least five hours sleep. meat bodies are such a pain.
That war report though, dayum.
Did anyone record the fight? Please say yes.
You know, for 'research' reasons.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Circle-Of-Two
#14 - 2017-05-18 03:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
@ralph your battle report was giving me a headache so I fixed it for you. I am not 100% on 2 of the neutral guards as they aren't on my list of PIRAT RR but you killed em so I drew that line on my own.

Link

PS they are now on the list

Quick edit goonswarm and bastion shot eachother, PIRAT, Your citadel???, and as best as I can tell were mostly killed by concord so I just made them their own entity

Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

ISD Buldath favorite ISD

'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin

#15 - 2017-05-18 03:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
I don't get the drama. I love you Ralph but the comparison you're making is not the same. There's a lot more to things I'm sure..there always is. I don't get why, if the situation was $hitty to begin with, you would want to complicate it with an angry judgement. This whole thing puzzles me and isn't good for anyone.

I don't claim to know all the details by any means..but this seems like a bad decision made on stewing tentions and snap judgement.

I am not leadership nor do I have any desire to be, so my opinion doesn't matter. I will say though, there were better ways to handle the situation. That's all I have to say on the matter.. What?




His point is very clearly stated, and in comparison to what Devils situation is, very similar.

VMG decced Marmite. A blue, when they let some red into their corp, because Marmite was trying to disband PIRAT another blue to VMG. Per quoted by VMG.

"2. Trying to focus on disbanding a blue the same."

But when the act of PIRAT attacking a citadel was brought to VMG, they solidly remained neutral. A very clear and hypocritical action. Because it was blue on blue situation and VMG refused to take a stance in it.

You can't claim one thing and turn around and refused to walk your talk. EVE especially you will get called out for it.

VMG, Marmite and Forsaken with VMG and Phoenix Rising firmly in FA at the time, are all very very well known to me for this treatment of blue's though. So I'm really unsurprised by the actions. The only single courtesy I've seen from any of them, is Khrom at least gave warning to Absoslut back in the day, before he reset standings.

Also I'm really coming under the belief that the reason Highsec is so dead is partly due (But still mainly CCP for not changing how Highsec has behaved dynamically for years) to VMG's push to a dominating power in highsec, by osmosis-ing everything it comes into contact with. They have been systematically picking up mercs from other outfits, either it be closure, or disbandment from across the board.

Frankly it's boring. VMG is basically the Goonswarm of Highsec. Or soon to be. Whichever.



Quote:
Ralph demonstrates time and time again that his mouth cannot be controlled.


You obviously have no idea who Ralph is. I am the one who has an uncontrolled mouth. I've earned that title damnit.
#DeleteTheWeak
#16 - 2017-05-18 04:45:03 UTC
Don't have to explain squat, just reign down metal carnage n let actions speak over the next 10 years....Evil

Let the fifth generation of Devils figure out the kick off.




Nitshe asks if there are any Poco's to lay waste? ( don't matter which side, this is war)
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)

#17 - 2017-05-18 05:05:45 UTC
I'm just here for the exploding spaceships.

Pirate

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

The-Culture
#18 - 2017-05-18 05:09:59 UTC
Friendship is the best ship in the game!

also: 8/10 - would dunk again.

It burns when I PVP

#19 - 2017-05-18 05:15:43 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

... hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery ...


It seems to be more about JFs than GFs. Not many real mercs left.

"your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang-

  • - "hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery" -Ralph King-Griffin-
Short Bus Mercenaries.
#20 - 2017-05-18 08:00:36 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:




His point is very clearly stated, and in comparison to what Devils situation is, very similar.

VMG decced Marmite. A blue, when they let some red into their corp, because Marmite was trying to disband PIRAT another blue to VMG. Per quoted by VMG.

"2. Trying to focus on disbanding a blue the same."

But when the act of PIRAT attacking a citadel was brought to VMG, they solidly remained neutral. A very clear and hypocritical action. Because it was blue on blue situation and VMG refused to take a stance in it.

You can't claim one thing and turn around and refused to walk your talk. EVE especially you will get called out for it.
.


I honestly don't see the comparison here,
Marmite bringing in finns was a small factor to us sure (as suddenly being blue to the guys giving you ****, leaves a bad taste in your mouth) but Tora's comments about it were the deciding nail in the coffin for us, his own words were about disbanding
P I R A T and said being blue to us(marmite) is a good idea for you, now that we are strong again, how else do you take that?

With P I R A T and Marmite we could sit back and watch or get involved, by Toras own doing we got involved. he can spin it however he likes.

Where as

Most agreements we have with others is to stay out of each others way and help out when and where we can.
I'm not leadership in VMG so don't know if any talks were had between khrom and Raz during the RF timers, But if Devils felt like they were on the brink of disbanding I'm sure i would have heard about it from khrom, I don't think its going to happen over their fort being hit, VMG have killed some citadels in the past and the owning corps/alliances are still intact, and have new structures now.

Your space structures are not really our problem, don't get me wrong. We were more than happy to show up and help out if you asked for assistance, but you said it yourself it's "a Massive punching bag in space" someone was going to punch it at some point, leave it to the russian's to be crazy enough to go for it... but are you saying if it was ever hit by anyone blue to us, we need to remove their blue status over it?

If marmite (or one of your blues) hit a VMG structure would you drop blues with them over it? or remain neutral?
VMG's stance as far as i have always known it for blue vs blue situations is to remain neutral, attempt diplo if one side asked, and not get involved in the drama... unless one side starts **** with us for related or unrelated reasons and forces our hand.





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