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Is End Game a myth?

#1 - 2017-05-16 17:59:02 UTC
I see in various forum threads,
there is no end game, or this or that is end game.

So I am curious, simply that and so I am asking the community to pass knowledge of this post to others they know.

Question is: What do you consider end game?

a few simple rules for this post.
1.) if you truly believe there is no true end game simply post "noeg" (for no end game, without the quotes of course)
2.) no need for a fully detailed explanation, a simple sentence or two should suffice, if you want to write a book make your own thread.
3.) try to keep things civil, obvious trolls, attempts to derail on purpose, ongoing arguments that get out of control I will ask ISD myself to start removing such when necessary.

Personally, my answer to this question according to my simple rules would be: noeg
Limited Expectations
#2 - 2017-05-16 18:16:27 UTC
Wormhole corp kissing The Ring and becoming nullbears means "winning the game". Or so I heard.

but jokes aside

There is an endgame... and isn't. As in real life your endgame can be fulfilling a goal. Or a few. Getting specialized in an activity and becoming the best (or one of the few best) is what I'd call endgame.
But if the goal is "try everything and be the best in everything", it's impossible to archive, so I would argue it doesn't exist.
#3 - 2017-05-16 18:26:33 UTC
Here's how I see it.

EVE is essentially a sandbox. And in a sandbox each and every person decides for themselves what their endgame is.

For some it might be having the most ISK. For others the highest kill efficiency. Or cornering the market for a region. Or most SP. Or having the largest corp. Or any of so many other metrics.

Mr Epeen Cool
oiukhp Muvila
#4 - 2017-05-16 18:36:34 UTC
The "End Game" is when you have become too bored with the existing gameplay and simply stop logging in.

As for gameplay within the game, I see it more as a wheel. You start in someplace like Hi Sec and go to somewhere like, WH, Low Sec, or Null Sec, play there until you get bored, then go to one of the places you didn't already go and play a bit, and etc.

You can also do the same for different careers. I started doing mainly pvp and mining, then went into invention, then PI. By the time I got into PI it wasn't really worth going back into the other careers due to the high saturation of existing players doing that.

When CCP introduced all those industries they were very profitable for a while, then as more got into them, they became very competitive.
Those who got into them each early on made a lot of isk, those who followed on made a lot less.

So for many of the industries in this game, there has been no real reason to go back to them. And for many areas of this game, they haven't changed enough or I don't have the time to invest, like Null Sec or WHs.

So, that is the "End Game" for me. It has become no longer fun or profitable to do nearly everything that you can do in this game, so I no longer play it.

I just come back once in a while to see of CCP actually does something beyond the narrow vision they have had the last several years.

#5 - 2017-05-16 18:42:36 UTC
I forgot to mention.

You are posting in my endgame. For me and many others, this place - General Discussion - it the pinnacle of EVE.

Mr Epeen Cool
#6 - 2017-05-16 18:44:44 UTC
For me, there is no classic "endgame".
I can have as much fun in EVE with a new toon just hours old as with one that is a few years old.
It depends on what you want to do in EVE. New Eden is not a themepark but a sandbox - there is no "getting as fast as I can to maxlevel". And - it seems to me - that is a very good thing.


Warped Intentions
#7 - 2017-05-16 18:46:52 UTC
In Eve, the "end game" is whatever each player decides it is for him/her.
For me, my daily end game is achieving my objectives while denying others the opportunity to use me to achieve their goals. It's a real kick, running a site or something and watching folks try to hunt you down, and then warping off right under their noses while they're still coming out of warp and there's nothing they can do about it. For Newbros like me, learning to stay alive can be a lot of fun. Oh, I still get killed now and again, but like any game of cat and mouse, you win some and you lose some. C'est la Vie!

Respectfully submitted.

"The world ain't fair, there is no Santa Claus, and not everyone gets a F'n trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to Eve."

#8 - 2017-05-16 19:28:29 UTC
I'd view it as eve having multiple end-games.

For example... in market trading there is probably a finite set of skills where you are on even footing with all the other market traders (other than your own personal ability to play the market). Once you get those skills, you have the same set of tools that everyone else has (at least for that one toon).

To me that is similar to trying to grind up to level XX as quickly as possible so you can take part in that MMORPG's "end game" content. In both cases the other guys may have more stuff or better ability... but you're both maxed out in terms of skills.

So there is a max trading skill level where you arrive at the end-game. There is a max mining skill set. There is a max manufacturing/research skill set. Achieving each of those puts you at the end-game for that activity.

Combat skills... well that's a little different. Each fitting for each ship would have an "end-game" skill set (every skill that has any effect on the fitting for the ship you're running skilled up to V)... but I'm not sure how often people would actually do that. Many skills have exceptionally long training times to go from level 4 to 5... for the same incremental increase you got for each of the levels going to lvl 4. In a practical sense... being able to reship into a better ship against what you're facing is more valuable than getting some of those lvl 5's to "perfect" the skills for one ship.

So... I would say there is a point where your character cannot be improved for what you're doing... which by definition is a sort of end game. But it takes so long to get there and you can get close enough to be competitive in a much shorter time that effectively the endgame isn't really played by many people.
#9 - 2017-05-16 19:39:20 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I forgot to mention.

You are posting in my endgame. For me and many others, this place - General Discussion - it the pinnacle of EVE.

Mr Epeen Cool

much better to go on the forums and tell other people to do stuff rather than do it yourself.

Most other games have a quest chain that takes you through the game world and gives you some storyline where you level up your character and/or get better gear and end game is what you do when you have maxed your level, and pretty much just grind out some gear. This often leads to boredom as players typically beat content faster than devs can make it, they typically throw in some super grindy stuff that isn't of any actual importance because a lot of players will just do it without question.

In eve you are perpetually leveling your character and gear rapidly becomes good enough, most pvp fits are mostly t2 maybe splurge on a faction item here or there, and pve stuff typically t2 guns with some faction damage mods and maybe a little shiny on the tank. the npc enemies are typically pretty boring and predictable. However in eve the players are always changing and we get patches every so often that nudge the fotm in a new direction. I'd consider a few activities end game pve, like burner missions, carrier ratting, high end ded complexes, incursions, and rorqual mining. All of these take some time to train into and some have some big start up costs. End game pvp is well a never ending and nearly undefined, we have all sorts of solo, small gang, and large scale fleet pvp options and heck most of it can be joined in at a very young character age.

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#10 - 2017-05-16 21:04:26 UTC
OK, for me the end game was to form an alliance then move to null. But then it was to leave null and maybe wormhole. Then it was to get elected to the CSM. Now it is pointing out the way I think the CSM has lost its way. I thought it might be doing OK in the alliance tournament but now I sort of did that.

I did see the claim that this forum is the end game and that is about the right amount of meta to maybe be the truth. Getting your Eve character in the world news turns out to not be the end game.

I now believe the end game may be finally returning to the original Everquest. Wait, that isn't it!

The end game is simple. That next thing you want to do is clearly your end game. When you run out of those you enter the bitter vet game phase and that eventually leads to your final encounter with the ultimate Eve MOB boss. The forum moderator and the perma-ban! :-)

OK, maybe that isn't it.

I am going to go back to the end game involves leaving Eve for good to play a different game. I'd suggest this one:

The Stanley Parable
#11 - 2017-05-16 21:12:51 UTC
As there is no hard set end-game we know of, it's what your little heart desires. I have yet to figure out what mine will be. Hopefully live out the life of the server.
Shattered Foundations
#12 - 2017-05-16 21:25:55 UTC
end game every time you undock
#13 - 2017-05-16 21:31:09 UTC
Playing in the sandbox of Eve long enough to see it become a litterbox, that is the true end game. You can either scoop it every day, or... Well...

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#14 - 2017-05-16 21:42:04 UTC
End game? What end game? In sandbox? End game will be when I'll stop playing EvE.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Who Dares Wins.
#15 - 2017-05-16 21:52:44 UTC

  1. Selling yourself on the streets to save up $24,000 USD
  2. Converting it to PLEX
  3. Selling PLEX for ISK
  4. Converting ISK to Skill Injectors
  5. Putting them all in one character for 450mil SP
  6. Feeling God-Like
  7. Lose Internet Connection and look around realizing you have no friends, your family left you and your crotch constantly itches (cuz you sold your body for $24,000 spent on a game)
  8. End real life clone without setting a home base
  9. Game Over

End Game

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#16 - 2017-05-16 23:17:10 UTC
The so-called End Game in Eve is there, it's just not what the game defines it to's what you define it to be.

It's not like other story-driven games where you have one or multiple possible terminating points in the story resulting in a cut-scene that proceeds to pat you on the back for doing a good job then shows you rolling credits and returns you to some main menu.


"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

oiukhp Muvila
#17 - 2017-05-16 23:17:37 UTC
Defecanda wrote:

  1. Selling yourself on the streets to save up $24,000 USD
  2. Converting it to PLEX
  3. Selling PLEX for ISK
  4. Converting ISK to Skill Injectors
  5. Putting them all in one character for 450mil SP
  6. Feeling God-Like
  7. Lose Internet Connection and look around realizing you have no friends, your family left you and your crotch constantly itches (cuz you sold your body for $24,000 spent on a game)
  8. End real life clone without setting a home base
  9. Game Over

End Game

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#18 - 2017-05-17 00:40:58 UTC
The end game was Apocrypha. After that...just lipstick on pigs. You're dead to me->eve
#19 - 2017-05-17 01:34:35 UTC
There is no typical end game as like all MMOs you can always just keep playing. The ultimate endgame is a personal one though where you have no more goals nor any desire to make more and you stop logging in. Ironically its much akin to Mid life crisis in real life, you just cant log out of real life, though some DO "check out" permanently.Blink

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

#20 - 2017-05-17 02:56:32 UTC
The end game is when you stop logging in. Even moreso if you still manage to play the game without logging in.

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