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If you are a WH PvP alliance/corp facing eviction, WH NATO can help

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#1 - 2017-05-11 23:11:24 UTC
Hello all

I'm a diplomat for Rejection of Sovereignty, a founding member of a group of low-class (C4 class or below) PVP alliances that is dedicated to the idea of making low-class wormhole space a haven for NPSI small gang PvP. Founded in the wake of the attempted Eyes.FR eviction, WH NATO is premised on the idea that the eviction of WH PvP groups is antithetical to the PvP playground of low-class wormhole space. GF’s cannot happen if active PvPers are evicted without just cause. The members of WH NATO believe that this community ought to be protected and we pledge to do just that.

If you are a pvp corp or alliance living in low-class space and you're facing an eviction, reach out to us. We will consider requests for assistance from any low class w-space PvP group that is under siege.

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Rejection of Sovereignty
#2 - 2017-05-12 09:26:03 UTC
I'd have thought that recent events have shown you that evictions can and do indeed create GFs. After all, eviction isn't death; anyone with a pair will just redeploy in another system. Content was created. GFs were had.
L A Z E R H A W K S
#3 - 2017-05-12 11:50:37 UTC
#4 - 2017-05-13 04:29:44 UTC
Bex wrote:
I'd have thought that recent events have shown you that evictions can and do indeed create GFs. After all, eviction isn't death; anyone with a pair will just redeploy in another system. Content was created. GFs were had.


More content and more good fights are created when evictions are opposed and pvp corps are allowed to flourish.
#5 - 2017-05-13 05:09:40 UTC
Charrette wrote:
Bex wrote:
I'd have thought that recent events have shown you that evictions can and do indeed create GFs. After all, eviction isn't death; anyone with a pair will just redeploy in another system. Content was created. GFs were had.


More content and more good fights are created when evictions are opposed and pvp corps are allowed to flourish.


Have you got anything other than your opinion to back that up?
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#6 - 2017-05-13 08:59:52 UTC
Bex wrote:
I'd have thought that recent events have shown you that evictions can and do indeed create GFs. After all, eviction isn't death; anyone with a pair will just redeploy in another system. Content was created. GFs were had.

you know this isnt true. sure, the corp may return but every eviction leaves some pilots behind, not to mention the obvious down time of finding and moving into a new system.

WH evictions are only OK if you plan to actually live in the system you're evicting. And no, I don't care what class corp is attacking which, it makes no difference.

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#7 - 2017-05-13 11:38:54 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Bex wrote:
I'd have thought that recent events have shown you that evictions can and do indeed create GFs. After all, eviction isn't death; anyone with a pair will just redeploy in another system. Content was created. GFs were had.

you know this isnt true. sure, the corp may return but every eviction leaves some pilots behind, not to mention the obvious down time of finding and moving into a new system.

WH evictions are only OK if you plan to actually live in the system you're evicting. And no, I don't care what class corp is attacking which, it makes no difference.


It is demonstrably true. The biggest fleet fights I've witnessed in W-Space have been centered around evictions. I love the small gang stuff as much as the next guy but I'm not turning down one massive content generator at the expense of a minor one.
skill urself
#8 - 2017-05-14 12:17:36 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:


you know this isnt true. sure, the corp may return but every eviction leaves some pilots behind, not to mention the obvious down time of finding and moving into a new system.

WH evictions are only OK if you plan to actually live in the system you're evicting. And no, I don't care what class corp is attacking which, it makes no difference.


survival of the strongest

and evicting is good, it keeps people in line
Spatial Instability
#9 - 2017-05-14 21:37:44 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
WH evictions are only OK if you plan to actually live in the system you're evicting.


I agree with this, but I also think they're okay if you have a beef with the other corp / alliance too. So say for example Eyes.Fr went after Hole Control or something of the like. They're a good way to show a corp / alliance, actually, I have a problem with you, so I'm going to burn everything you own to the ground.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

#10 - 2017-05-15 07:27:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Falkenberg Roenning
Nothing wrong with evictions per say. This thread just boils down to 3 words and game mechanics. I quote OP "without just cause" So basically OP want to define and police "just" in low class j-space. Speaking on behalf of myself, thank you but no thank you.
Listen to what Jack and Seraph actually write, the real implications of staging an eviction will take care of the rest.

Cliff notes:

It's not cool to remove someone from j-space just for the lulz, we need all the activity we can get. But I don't see the point of adding more layers of politics to wormhole living.
#11 - 2017-05-15 12:51:26 UTC
The discussion is not about allowing evictions or not by game mechanics. But I think it's ok, if some corps come together and help each other. Evictions just for Loot or punishment for a little thing with 120+ vs 0-30 is not about GFs. Maybe NATO will create more content. It's not about less fighting.
#12 - 2017-05-15 13:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Falkenberg Roenning
Eikin Skjald wrote:
The discussion is not about allowing evictions or not by game mechanics.


Game mechanics doesn't allow or disallow evictions (well, actually it allows it) It dictates the frequency. Friends are always good to have. No one will argue against that. But leave it at that. Just my 0.02
#13 - 2017-05-15 19:44:52 UTC
Falkenberg Roenning wrote:
Nothing wrong with evictions per say. This thread just boils down to 3 words and game mechanics. I quote OP "without just cause" So basically OP want to define and police "just" in low class j-space. Speaking on behalf of myself, thank you but no thank you.
Listen to what Jack and Seraph actually write, the real implications of staging an eviction will take care of the rest.

Cliff notes:

It's not cool to remove someone from j-space just for the lulz, we need all the activity we can get. But I don't see the point of adding more layers of politics to wormhole living.



I actually think this is a good idea. WH NATO has basically said that if there's an unfair eviction in process, they'll try to make it fair. This to me is GF material

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

#14 - 2017-05-15 20:24:01 UTC
So the more I think about this the more I like it, and provided it operates in a certain way I can see it being useful for generating lots of fun.

TLDR wrote:
No politics needed for something like this. Just a list of people and points of contact is all you need for something like this.

No organization, no funds, no rules or policies or complicated things. Well okay maybe a few rules or whatever, but those can be figured out later I suppose, standard NPSI stuff. I think the most liberating thing about Wormhole space is the lack of politics, or, the fact that politics are in fact "everyone is hostile except that guy right now but if we see him again there will be trouble be told!"

I cant tell you how many times my group has responded to someone saying "hey we've got a fight in (system) bring this" or "We've got a capital tackled bring anything!" or just "(autistic screaming in comms)"... etc. Actually I could, about a half dozen times tbf... But I digress. To quote Terry Pratchett, "If there were any (content) we would spring, yes I mean spring into action! (cough laboriously)"

All it takes is a friendly email saying "Hey we're under threat, could you provide assistance? We're using X type of fleet, we're in Y type of wormhole, and we're fighting Z type of fleet. Any help would be appreciated." And then intel is exchanged and good fights propogate. Corps set each other blue for the duration of the siege and back to neutral afterwards if it'll be a long one, or if it's short then no standings necessary, just fleet up, form up, and fight, salute/reship, repeat.

I for one support more content in all of its forms regardless of form, and I would click the button for "Would you like to know more?" If I saw one, so send me a mail if you've got any other details or questions or anything else. I may have all sorts of suggestions if you're interested in hearing them.

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#15 - 2017-05-15 23:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Bex wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Bex wrote:
I'd have thought that recent events have shown you that evictions can and do indeed create GFs. After all, eviction isn't death; anyone with a pair will just redeploy in another system. Content was created. GFs were had.

you know this isnt true. sure, the corp may return but every eviction leaves some pilots behind, not to mention the obvious down time of finding and moving into a new system.

WH evictions are only OK if you plan to actually live in the system you're evicting. And no, I don't care what class corp is attacking which, it makes no difference.

It is demonstrably true. The biggest fleet fights I've witnessed in W-Space have been centered around evictions. I love the small gang stuff as much as the next guy but I'm not turning down one massive content generator at the expense of a minor one.

yeah, congrats, you get one large fight versus a fight every time you roll into that group. if you think that's a good trade then by all means, knock yourself out...
frankly I can't fathom why you would choose to voluntarily kill off (even if just temporarily) a source of content for a once off content hit. do you really thing the population of wspace is so saturated that this doesn't make an impact? cos youre wrong if you do.

PS: if you want big fights for the sake of big fights, why are you in wormholes? that kind of content is FAR easier to get in nullsec if that's all youre after.
yeah, ive been part of big fights in wspace too but I can hands down tell you that none of the biggest fights ive been in crack my top 100 favourite fights in wspace, that really isnt what's great about WH pvp.
as for 'fun evictions'? i can think of one, and it was a small fight in a C2 for a WH we intended to move into.

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#16 - 2017-05-16 04:22:00 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Bex wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Bex wrote:
I'd have thought that recent events have shown you that evictions can and do indeed create GFs. After all, eviction isn't death; anyone with a pair will just redeploy in another system. Content was created. GFs were had.

you know this isnt true. sure, the corp may return but every eviction leaves some pilots behind, not to mention the obvious down time of finding and moving into a new system.

WH evictions are only OK if you plan to actually live in the system you're evicting. And no, I don't care what class corp is attacking which, it makes no difference.

It is demonstrably true. The biggest fleet fights I've witnessed in W-Space have been centered around evictions. I love the small gang stuff as much as the next guy but I'm not turning down one massive content generator at the expense of a minor one.

yeah, congrats, you get one large fight versus a fight every time you roll into that group. if you think that's a good trade then by all means, knock yourself out...
frankly I can't fathom why you would choose to voluntarily kill off (even if just temporarily) a source of content for a once off content hit. do you really thing the population of wspace is so saturated that this doesn't make an impact? cos youre wrong if you do.

PS: if you want big fights for the sake of big fights, why are you in wormholes? that kind of content is FAR easier to get in nullsec if that's all youre after.
yeah, ive been part of big fights in wspace too but I can hands down tell you that none of the biggest fights ive been in crack my top 100 favourite fights in wspace, that really isnt what's great about WH pvp.
as for 'fun evictions'? i can think of one, and it was a small fight in a C2 for a WH we intended to move into.


If you think corps that get evicted just disperse into the ether and never return you're being naive, and you've never struck me as naive, so I'm going to assume it's just because you're trying to prove your point. Evictions are natural selection at work. If you're not able to survive in W-Space and vacate the moment it gets difficult, you probably don't belong there anyway. The strong will survive, get better and get even.

I've done the large fleet fights in Null, it's not even remotely engaging. Large fights in W-Space rarely, if ever, get to that scale and you know it, so don't make a false equivalency between the two.

As far as the fun factor goes, who are you to decide? We all play this game in the way that entertains us, whether it be mining rocks or blowing up ships or whatever profession you choose to pursue. You don't get entertainment from eviction operations? Fine, don't do it. Because I'm sure Wingspan have never evicted anyone, right?
Hard Knocks Citizens
#17 - 2017-05-16 07:25:18 UTC
lol okay Twisted
skill urself
#18 - 2017-05-16 17:06:37 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:


frankly I can't fathom why you would choose to voluntarily kill off (even if just temporarily) a source of content for a once off content hit. do you really thing the population of wspace is so saturated that this doesn't make an impact? cos youre wrong if you do.




because getting content from that group during evicting is better than no content at all

+ who even cares, its a videogame, if your group quits because they lose a wh or two, then they probably have bigger issues
Hard Knocks Citizens
#19 - 2017-05-16 22:18:06 UTC
Charrette
Diplomate for Rejection of Sovereignty
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Re: Cease and Desist – Copyright Infringement

Dear Mr. Charrette:

It has come to our attention that your choice in coalition name, WH NATO, is substantially similar to both the Original NATO and second-generation, NATWO.

I represent the proprietors of all copyright use of NATO & NATWO. We have reserved all rights in the Work, which was first published on 2011 with registration number J100549 and in 2012 with the registration number J115405. You neither requested nor received permission to use our Work therefore your unauthorized copying and use of our copyrighted Work constitutes copyright infringement in violation of the United States copyright laws.

We hereby demand that you, within 7 days of the date of this letter: remove all infringing content; destroy all physical and electronic copies; notify us in writing when these tasks have been completed; and permanently cease the use, publication and distribution of our copyrighted material.

If you do not cease and desist within the above stated time period, we will be forced to take appropriate legal action against you and we will seek all available damages and remedies.

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Evidence:
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=177605
#20 - 2017-05-16 22:45:52 UTC
RIP, high class is interested now, ggwpurgaypwnedw/e. Now's the time to say "It's a fair cop gov!" and run into an impossibly small door.

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